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New Order Mining Permits Now Worthless?

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#181 - 2014-04-09 15:33:28 UTC
Belt Scout wrote:
Just run Proc's and Skiffs



NO working as intended

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#182 - 2014-04-09 16:00:15 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
/me wonders if N.O members refer to James as 'Dear Leader' ?

/me also wonders if N.O members would wear this if it was available ?

1) It's usually "Supreme Protector"
2) I would wear it if it had the face of James 315 printed on it
Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
#183 - 2014-04-09 16:32:43 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Oshia Launay wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
People watch DScan and local now far more than they did before.

You can deny it if you want, but NO is responsible for the mining community actually attempting to look after itself.

I'm not sure I get what you are trying to say here.


Willful ignorance is a poor thing to pretend to have.

I will not answer any comments that compare a video game to a real life situation that is entirely unrelated, sorry.

Fine.

See, I'm having a little trouble understanding all the self-congratulatory posts from NO members. From my perspective, NO are ganking players who can't fight back, which isn't exactly such a ground breaking idea in a MMORPG, let alone EVE Online, and as far as 'emergent gameplay' goes, amounts to nothing much, that ship has been sailing for a long long time already.

Now you and others seem to also claim that by ganking miners, you benefit them, because some of them might end up tanking their mining vessels in order to ward off ... gankers. That does not even begin to make sense, unless you're deep into twisted, self aggrandizing, circular logic.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#184 - 2014-04-09 16:38:48 UTC
Oshia Launay wrote:

From my perspective, NO are ganking players who can't fight back

Why can't they fight back?

Oshia Launay wrote:
Now you and others seem to also claim that by ganking miners, you benefit them, because some of them might end up tanking their mining vessels in order to ward off ... gankers. That does not even begin to make sense


Why doesnt that make sense?

You get attacked, you learn what the weaknesses in your defense were, and you tighten up

Its called defense development, or maybe even evolution.

What part of making yourself stronger to avoid or even repell or prevent being attacked doesnt make sense?

What doesnt make sense from your point of view is why, if NO dont mean what they say, do they tell you they are in system and they make their rules of engagement very clear?

Surely it would be more effecient and easier to get kills by not wearing a badge that says "I will kill you if you have a poor fit mining ship"

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
#185 - 2014-04-09 17:54:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Oshia Launay
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Why can't they fight back?

Because the game is designed in such a way that utilitarian ships such as haulers or mining vessels are absolutely rubbish at space combat and quite useless as utilitarian ships when fully fitted with weapons and combat oriented modules. I figured that out in my first week as a new player, how long have you been playing ?

Ultimately because NO specifically targets players who are in no position to fight back. Ganking 101.

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Oshia Launay wrote:
Now you and others seem to also claim that by ganking miners, you benefit them, because some of them might end up tanking their mining vessels in order to ward off ... gankers. That does not even begin to make sense


Why doesnt that make sense?

Same reason the rapist can't be said to be of benefit to his victim, whether or not the victim choses to carry a pepper spray afterwards for future protection.

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What part of making yourself stronger to avoid or even repell or prevent being attacked doesnt make sense?

I feel like we have a communication problem here. I did not claim or imply any such thing.

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What doesnt make sense from your point of view is why, if NO dont mean what they say, do they tell you they are in system and they make their rules of engagement very clear?

Surely it would be more effecient and easier to get kills by not wearing a badge that says "I will kill you if you have a poor fit mining ship"

Efficient ganking is not a requirement for trolling, the primary purpose of NO.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#186 - 2014-04-09 17:56:03 UTC
Sarah McKnobbo wrote:
When were they worth anything to start with?

Very good question
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#187 - 2014-04-09 18:01:58 UTC
Oshia Launay wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Why can't they fight back?

Because the game is designed in such a way that utilitarian ships such as haulers or mining vessels are absolutely rubbish at space combat and quite useless as utilitarian ships when fully fitted with weapons and combat oriented modules. I figured that out in my first week as a new player, how long have you been playing ?
Ultimately because NO specifically targets players who are in no position to fight back. Ganking 101.

Really? Thats why theres so many combat ships including T3 Strategic Cruisers regularly posted on their KBs, because they target people in no position to fight back , is it?

As for mining ships being utterly useless at combat, you have no idea what a T2 Tank fit Skiff with T2 Hobgobs can do to a Catalyst and barely take a scratch in return. You seem to have not learned very much since your first week if you think thats a soft target.

Oshia Launay wrote:

Same reason the rapist can't be said to be of benefit to his victim, whether or not the victim choses to carry a pepper spray afterwards for future protection.

I told you, Im not going to compare real life to internet space ships.

Oshia Launay wrote:

Efficient ganking is not a requirement for trolling, the primary purpose of NO.

In your opinion. Thats not their stated purpose, I and quite a few others dont believe thats their purpose, so Im afraid thats your opinion, and opinions are not facts, and so not a basis for debate, sorry.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
#188 - 2014-04-09 18:36:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Oshia Launay
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Really? Thats why theres so many combat ships including T3 Strategic Cruisers regularly posted on their KBs, because they target people in no position to fight back , is it?

As for mining ships being utterly useless at combat, you have no idea what a T2 Tank fit Skiff with T2 Hobgobs can do to a Catalyst and barely take a scratch in return. You seem to have not learned very much since your first week if you think thats a soft target.

You and me both know who the targets are. Remember: "I will kill you if you have a poor fit mining ship"

Drones doing bad things to paper tanked catalysts ? I'm afraid that does not make skiffs good at space combat, that just makes paper tanked catalysts awful at taking damage. Of course New Order members know better than that and fit a proper tank on their catalysts, no doubt. Right ?

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Oshia Launay wrote:

Same reason the rapist can't be said to be of benefit to his victim, whether or not the victim choses to carry a pepper spray afterwards for future protection.

I told you, Im not going to compare real life to internet space ships.

Oh, you can go lalala-I-can't-hear-you on me as much as you like.

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Oshia Launay wrote:

Efficient ganking is not a requirement for trolling, the primary purpose of NO.

In your opinion. Thats not their stated purpose, I and quite a few others dont believe thats their purpose, so Im afraid thats your opinion, and opinions are not facts, and so not a basis for debate, sorry.

Trolls don't advertise they're trolling as a rule, so I guess we're done here.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#189 - 2014-04-09 18:43:11 UTC
Oshia Launay wrote:

You and me both know who the targets are. Remember: "I will kill you if you have a poor fit mining ship"


So dont fly a poor fit ship and pay attention and you wont be ganked? Thats what Ive been saying so far.

Oshia Launay wrote:
Drones doing bad things to paper tanked catalysts ? I'm afraid that does not make skiffs good at space combat, that just makes paper tanked catalysts awful at taking damage. Of course New Order members know better than that and fit a proper tank on their catalysts, no doubt. Right ?

You can see what their Catalyst fits are, they are on www.minerbumping.com as well as on the KMs of the miners who get som HP damage on them before CONCORD does the hard work for them.

Oshia Launay wrote:

Oh, you can go lalala-I-can't-hear-you on me as much as you like.

I already told you I wasnt going to compare this to real life crime, you cant blame me if you choose to bring it up again and I dont bite.

Oshia Launay wrote:

Trolls don't advertise they're trolling as a rule, so I guess we're done here.

Ok, if you want. You havent rebuked any point Ive made with any kind of facts, so yes, I guess we are done here if you want to quit now.

GF

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#190 - 2014-04-09 18:47:02 UTC
Oshia Launay wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Why doesnt that make sense?

Same reason the rapist can't be said to be of benefit to his victim, whether or not the victim choses to carry a pepper spray afterwards for future protection.

don't make comparisons like this, you trivialise an irl issue and look like a tw@t at the same time.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#191 - 2014-04-09 19:00:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Wulfgar WarHammer
Oshia Launay wrote:
everything I said


Makes absolute, crystal clear sense. +1 to all of your posts. For someone who hasn't been here very long, your comprehension of EvE is greater than most who have been playing for years.

You also have something the majority of EvE-O forum visitors don't - Common sense and logic.

Bravo, sir.

Edit : and screw what the poster above says. They always say things like "don't cross IRL with internet spaceships" but when their best buds like Erotica 1 do so on a daily basis, well that is all acceptable and funny and considered 'creating content'. Most EvE-O forum users are bat-**** ********.

Again, when applying common-sense and logic, your HYPOTHETICAL ANALOGY illustrates the situation perfectly.
Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
#192 - 2014-04-09 19:02:51 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Oshia Launay wrote:

You and me both know who the targets are. Remember: "I will kill you if you have a poor fit mining ship"


So dont fly a poor fit ship and pay attention and you wont be ganked? Thats what Ive been saying so far.

Thanks, I would never have figured out how to avoid getting ganked by the New Order without you ! I'll train mining 2 sometimes within the next two years and take the venture out for a ride to celebrate my newly found freedom.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2014-04-09 19:02:58 UTC
Oshia Launay wrote:

See, I'm having a little trouble understanding all the self-congratulatory posts from NO members. From my perspective, NO are ganking players who can't fight back, which isn't exactly such a ground breaking idea in a MMORPG, let alone EVE Online, and as far as 'emergent gameplay' goes, amounts to nothing much, that ship has been sailing for a long long time already.


I know exactly what you mean. I lost a Celestis recently to a bunch of Goonswarm/BL gankers in Scalding Pass. I had no ability to fight back. What a bunch of wankers. Good thing 200 of my RvB Ganked fleetmates were there to give them a little revenge for me.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#194 - 2014-04-09 19:06:13 UTC
Oshia Launay wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Oshia Launay wrote:

You and me both know who the targets are. Remember: "I will kill you if you have a poor fit mining ship"


So dont fly a poor fit ship and pay attention and you wont be ganked? Thats what Ive been saying so far.

Thanks, I would never have figured out how to avoid getting ganked by the New Order without you ! I'll train mining 2 sometimes within the next two years and take the venture out for a ride to celebrate my newly found freedom.


You finally come arund to agreeing with me, and once you realise that you do see it from my point of view your response is to get snidey and act superior.

And you still wonder why the "moral majority" are the target of the NO.

Also, you do realise the NO are nothing new, right?

So you are complaining about something that has been in practice for pretty much the life span of the game without being stopped, yes?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#195 - 2014-04-09 19:08:18 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
So you are complaining about something that has been in practice for pretty much the life span of the game without being stopped, yes?


'pretty much the life span of the game' ?

2 years. Really? Your blind fanboy love clouds your judgement.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#196 - 2014-04-09 19:10:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
So you are complaining about something that has been in practice for pretty much the life span of the game without being stopped, yes?


'pretty much the life span of the game' ?

2 years. Really? Your blind fanboy love clouds your judgement.


Confirmed: Ganking for a reason invented 2 years ago Roll

Dont be so obtuse, please


EDIT: editted for clarity

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jaun Pacht-Feng
Doomheim
#197 - 2014-04-09 19:10:41 UTC
You're a ******* idiot for buying one in the first place!

"Go Goon or Go Home"

Perfect description of the biggest problem with Eve. 
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#198 - 2014-04-09 19:13:22 UTC
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
So you are complaining about something that has been in practice for pretty much the life span of the game without being stopped, yes?


'pretty much the life span of the game' ?

2 years. Really? Your blind fanboy love clouds your judgement.
If we're talking about individual methods, ganking specifically, then yes, this has been going on since the beginning of the game. That said, the specific elements that combine to form the NO along with their continued focus, not so much.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#199 - 2014-04-09 19:16:03 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
So you are complaining about something that has been in practice for pretty much the life span of the game without being stopped, yes?


'pretty much the life span of the game' ?

2 years. Really? Your blind fanboy love clouds your judgement.
If we're talking about individual methods, ganking specifically, then yes, this has been going on since the beginning of the game. That said, the specific elements that combine to form the NO along with their continued focus, not so much.


IEEE was pretty close, that was, what 5, 6 years ago?

Of course, these days Id half expect that the pursuit of Joe Phoenix would be called "bullying" and "sadism"

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#200 - 2014-04-09 19:17:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Wulfgar WarHammer
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Also, you do realise the NO are nothing new, right?

So you are complaining about something that has been in practice for pretty much the life span of the game without being stopped, yes?


If you wouldn't be so blind in your fanboyism you would remember what you just posted.

e - work is over and im bailing this thread for life, anyways. No use arguing with fanatics