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ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1 - 2014-04-08 15:31:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ali Virgo
Make small squads bigger .Increase Squad members numbers to 20 or more . add more ranks to fleet. goal is to have an entire alliance in one fleet where OBSEC a simple process used to deny an adversary information and situation awareness can be observed even away from fights. During big fights this can be effective. Make it so a squad of people can be lead buy enlisted leadership that can act not just pass boost. Why fight like dark ages days where officers are the key. fights should be planned and delegated out to squads.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2014-04-08 16:03:52 UTC
not really worth the time it'd take to fix the other code if it's already working fine (IIRC there is/was a reason for limiting it to 256 pilots at the beginning).

But if they're fixing the other code anyway ... sure, why not.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Anabelle Lector
#3 - 2014-04-09 07:14:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabelle Lector
I like the idea, why is the limit on fleets still 256? Should make it 512 and make the squads bigger, there's never enough people with leadership 5. Not sure how to get to 512, but oh well...

if we keep everything as is and just increase the members to 20 per squad you'll end up with a total of 506 per fleet

5xW, 5xS, 20xM = 506 pilots (Manageable I think)
5xW, 10xS, 20xM = 1006 pilots (Starts getting hectic)
10xW, 10xS, 20xM = 2011 pilots (This is just silly, but it keeps everyone in a CTA together)

What's a larger group than a Fleet called? A Garrison (totally guessing, I have no clue tbh)? Maybe there should be something like that. (And while they're at it, make a level for Coalitions (to combine alliances), lol off topic, I know)

Let's use my word from above, with a Garrison, one could combine Fleets and have a garrison channel, this is just to keep the whole group together, broadcasting for reps and targets is gonna become hectic in these kind of gatherings. You'd create your fleets like normal, if the fleets start getting too big, you can click a button to increase to garrison, then other fleets' FC's can hit the join Garrison button or something like that.

haha, being silly is such fun :P
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2014-04-09 07:21:40 UTC
If there is not enough people with LS5, how about you force more to train at least this skill?

Also, an increase in the number of squad members would make


  • the recently introduced limitation to 50 drones assigned to 1 person obsolete because it would be ridiculous to implement in actual fleet fights, apart from limiting some squads to 10 drone boats only ... and then your idea would be obsolete.
  • coordination of large engagements easier because you need to manage less fleets. At the moment, big engagements require the forming of several fleets to accommodate as many people. With bigger squads and fleets, this coordination effort would be minimized and big fights even easier, which is not desirable: More big fights yes, but not easier big fights. Effort has to be made to play big.


So all in all: not a fan of this idea as of now: -1

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Seliah
Red Cloud Vigil
#5 - 2014-04-09 07:24:00 UTC
ALI Virgo wrote:
Bigger fleets .increase Squad members numbers to 20


I really like your arguments, you make a very good case here. But I'm gonna have to disagree. Here's why :
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
#6 - 2014-04-09 07:51:59 UTC
If the general goal is to increase fleet size, I would leave the squads the same size, and increase the number of Squads and Wings, eg 10

FC + 5WC + 50SC + 500SM = 556 (buy just increasing number of maximum Squads per wing to 10)
FC + 10WC + 100SC + 1000SM = 1111 (buy increasing number of maximum Wings per Fleet and Squads per wing to 10)
Infrequent
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#7 - 2014-04-09 11:41:50 UTC
I'm gonna have to disagree with this. Here's why:

- Bigger squad sizes will have a negative effect on the most recent drone assignment nerf.
- Eve does not need bigger fleets right now, it needs big fights to be more consolidated (Less clutter, more efficient mechanics that weigh less on the server. A good example is the upcoming restriction of drone wings on caps, with the damage bonus as a compromise).
- It would require yet more skill reworks, this is not always a good thing.
- Fleet management could use some love in other areas, from the top down (Boosting management, fleet warp management).

I'm sure there's plenty of other reasons as to why this is a bad idea.
ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#8 - 2014-04-09 14:07:49 UTC
Squad of people can go do things on their own Enlisted Squad like real life is what 8-14. I am sure some people are okay just shooting one target at a time as fc broadcast them. Why cant fight be more complex and of higher thought and efforts. Increase squads give squad commanders more ability to do things in fight and the game could be more fun. don't think of it as more fleet numbers but a bigger small unit of special forces doing different things. Some of us fight real life wars and eve way of fighting is just too simple and a grind then complex fast paced action.
ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#9 - 2014-04-09 14:18:41 UTC
Infrequent wrote:
I'm gonna have to disagree with this. Here's why:

- Bigger squad sizes will have a negative effect on the most recent drone assignment nerf.
- Eve does not need bigger fleets right now, it needs big fights to be more consolidated (Less clutter, more efficient mechanics that weigh less on the server. A good example is the upcoming restriction of drone wings on caps, with the damage bonus as a compromise).
- It would require yet more skill reworks, this is not always a good thing.
- Fleet management could use some love in other areas, from the top down (Boosting management, fleet warp management).

I'm sure there's plenty of other reasons as to why this is a bad idea.


eve fights are becoming boring. I understand what your saying eve fights are not just limited to drone assist. I know some people would rather go in fight assign drone and just sit back. or just shoot what ever is broadcasted. That is simple and just boring. Fights should be a bit more complex then child' s play :) imagine a chess board only with 5 queens and one king on both sides missing the entire ranks and game play.
ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#10 - 2014-04-09 14:30:02 UTC
I understand how eve is and changes can be difficult. I was in b-r fight where most had drones on guard or assist shooting one thing at a time. Sure killing 34 titans was okay even though it took over 15 freaking hours. But how was it fun. How about we increase squad sizes and hope people fight in multiple small gangs anchored to one Alliance level fleet . Where command gives orders and different squads do different things in different places. with their own broadcast. Where people can ask for help and broadcast spotted enemies region wide. Don't think of it as a cluster but ability to wage war in multiple areas from one spot. Where leadership has all the information and can give orders not just limited to fighting.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2014-04-09 16:51:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
ROFL? Hope they do what you dream of they should do? Roll And that from a CFC member... YOU of all people should know best that this is not going to happen and that it is going to be exploited in the worst possible ways...

Besides, what you envision is already possible with current means and mechanics: Just create a fleet with full number of wings and squads.

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