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AFK Cloaking Fix/-Doens't Nerf cloak and helps server.

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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Refugees
Lord of Worlds Alliance
#1 - 2011-09-11 06:55:52 UTC
Why not put on an inactivity timer LIke you haven't done anything online, and you're cloaked in space, for 3 hours. Then the server loges you off automatically.It doesn't Nerf the cloaking devices, and if somebody is actually spying, they don't go offline! Simple fix! I tell you, My talents wasted here.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-09-11 06:57:41 UTC
If the person who is cloaked is really afk then they are not a threat to you. If they are not afk then they can overcome any kind of ******** mechanic like the one you've described. Stop being dumb.

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Meridith Akesia
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-09-11 07:06:17 UTC
Simple fix would be to remove local chat.
Vanakov Mek'lanavar
The Disgraceful Knave
#4 - 2011-09-11 07:06:54 UTC
Threads like this make me warm inside.
Nemesis Factor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-09-11 07:07:22 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Why not put on an inactivity timer LIke you haven't done anything online, and you're cloaked in space, for 3 hours. Then the server loges you off automatically.It doesn't Nerf the cloaking devices, and if somebody is actually spying, they don't go offline! Simple fix! I tell you, My talents wasted here.


The problem with that is you will see when I come back online. The point of AFK cloaking is to break an enemies reliance on local as an intel tool and attack once they have become acclimated to the cloaker's presence.

The sad truth is there IS no fix for AFK cloaking until they fix local. And after that, nobody will be bothered by AFK cloakers because they won't even know they're there.

In short, cloaking mechanics will never change, and it's for the best.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-09-11 07:12:59 UTC
Nemesis Factor wrote:
The point of AFK cloaking is to break an enemies reliance on local as an intel tool and attack once they have become acclimated to the cloaker's presence.



no, the point of AFK cloaking is to go to the bathroom or take 5 or go eat something or give some love to the GF/wife, and not risking getting your ship blown'd up while you're traversing hostile space.


making the locals nervous is just a plus.P

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Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-09-11 07:14:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod
Meridith Akesia wrote:
Simple fix would be to remove local chat.


I have been told that thats not happening

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Also from the CCP side their standpoint as said to us is they don't like this because it removes the sense of playing a game with other people. They want you to see that other people are playing eve around where you're playing it.

There is a push to change what local is and make it just a communications tool instead of an intel tool while retaining that information in another format somehow. It's a work in progress and I imagine we'll hear more about this at the next summit.


But I guess that depends on how much you buy what the CSM says. I wont say which one cause I dont wanna call him/her out

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Azelor Delaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-09-11 07:22:27 UTC
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
If the person who is cloaked is really afk then they are not a threat to you. If they are not afk then they can overcome any kind of ******** mechanic like the one you've described. Stop being dumb.


The only way they're a threat is when they enter local and the OP's botfarm logs off because a non-blue entered local chat.
El'Niaga
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-09-11 08:09:47 UTC
I like my idea of a decloaker bomb and a decloaker mobile field better :(.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Refugees
Lord of Worlds Alliance
#10 - 2011-09-11 08:11:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Acac Sunflyier
El'Niaga wrote:
I like my idea of a decloaker bomb and a decloaker mobile field better :(.


The field would unduly ruin the viator and other cloaky haulers. I'd also like to ask you, how would it affect jumping into a gate? I mean, we jump in cloaked and it allows us to get out bearings. Can you imagine those fields at a gate campo along the pipe? It wouldn't really be fair.
Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative.
#11 - 2011-09-11 08:27:57 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
Meridith Akesia wrote:
Simple fix would be to remove local chat.


I have been told that thats not happening



Simple fix to that is use constellation chat for making players feel like they're 'playing' with other people.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#12 - 2011-09-11 08:28:31 UTC
Vanakov Mek'lanavar wrote:
Threads like this make me warm inside.

Threads like this belong here

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AFK Cloaker
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-09-11 09:03:39 UTC
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CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
#14 - 2011-09-11 11:00:02 UTC
Moved from General Discussion.
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-09-11 13:38:15 UTC
AFK Cloaker wrote:
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That, sir, is an excellent point!

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#16 - 2011-09-11 17:22:58 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Why not put on an inactivity timer LIke you haven't done anything online, and you're cloaked in space, for 3 hours. Then the server loges you off automatically.It doesn't Nerf the cloaking devices, and if somebody is actually spying, they don't go offline! Simple fix! I tell you, My talents wasted here.
Well I have to ask first, why is this needed? Surely you have to give a reason for this idea and what you are trying to fix.

Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
Meridith Akesia wrote:
Simple fix would be to remove local chat.


I have been told that thats not happening
No one but CCP and maybe the CSM really know what is happening to local. Even they only know an outline of what is to change.
They said it wouldn't simply be turned off or set to delay mode, but the intel you now gain from it is more than likely not going to last.
They want you to work for your intel, instead of being hand fed it so easily.

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Sigras
Conglomo
#17 - 2011-09-11 20:45:06 UTC
IMHO nobody should be 100% safe in 0.0 which is what you are when you cloak, 100% safe. I'm even a fan of destructible stations for that reason.

However, there are two basic arguments that always come up and both are fallacious.

Cloaked ships cant do anything to you so theyre balanced
This is false for 3 reasons.

1. Cloaked ships can abuse grid-fu and the anomaly respawn mechanic to prevent new anomalies from spawning, in fact, a dedicated griefing group can shut down an entire region with no risk to themselves.

2. Cloaked ships provide perfectly safe free intel of ship movement and types and warp ins.

3. Cloaked ships provide a threat of force that cannot be countered.
Nemesis Factor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-09-11 20:51:03 UTC
Sigras wrote:
IMHO nobody should be 100% safe in 0.0 which is what you are when you cloak, 100% safe.



This is demonstratably untrue.
Sigras
Conglomo
#19 - 2011-09-11 21:00:45 UTC
ok, perhaps I should have amended that . . . when you cloak and arent an idiot youre 100% safe . . .
Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-09-11 21:57:04 UTC
Sigras wrote:
ok, perhaps I should have amended that . . . when you cloak and arent an idiot youre 100% safe . . .


Well said.

And to OP.

It is a nerf if its a proposal to change how something works, and that change makes it less dependant than it is now.

But I agree with you.

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