EVE General Discussion

Did losing the implants discourage the players, or was this sort of player not the kind to stick around in EVE anyway?

I think these two species are one in the same.

/蘭

He was the kinda player who enjoyed hardcore serversr on MMO's, he was actually kinda depressed when I told him podding someone doesnt delete them, only gives a chance of removing some skills fi theyw ere stupid. He knew full well what EVE was about since he had watched me play for about 3 years.

It was just the difference between the newbie implants and training, and training without the megaboosted newbie implants seriously discouraged him once he realized how much slower everything will be with them gone.

just made me think if he had never gotten the implants in the first place he woulda stuck around.

referring to the infinite procession of new gank-alts flooding out of newbie systems these days i suppose?

thats honestly a good point too, at least invest soem time in a gank alt rather than be given an express ride to gank-catalysts

I'm curious. What MMO hardcore server allow permadeath on a PVP kill? I didn't think something like this would be very popular..

I've opened up evemon before to get the differences, but I don't have the notes any longer. But really the difference is pretty marginal. I mean sure you get +5 for a very short duration, but the player can train for +2 or 3 implants fairly quickly. +5 was maybe five days difference in the few weeks that they are good for. +2 or 3 was a very marginal difference compared to +5, loss of a day or two. You can make that up easy, even far better training time by lopsiding your attributes in step with what a skill plan best uses. You know, put everything into perception and willpower for ship and weapons training, over all 30pts+. Much much faster that way than any accelerator can do. But then really a newbie should be balanced for at least the first few months in most cases, since targeting and such takes other attributes. It's what we have remaps for. I'll take a remap over an accelerator any day.

As for the rest in those starter packs, it's junk. Just makes loosing the stuff much harder on the new player, yes. Be a bounty hunter! take this ship and junk to loose your first week/day. rage quit.

Edit: oh I see they have changed it now. First week +17, up to second week +9, up to 35 days +3. The above still applies.

I dont quite remember, these games shut down years ago, were never big on my list at the time (for a perspective on time, this was before and shortyl after the CU "upgrade" to Star Wars Galaxies which was the game that sucked up all MY attention at the time, which is why i dotn remember the exact names of what he played)

Die Jedieee dog! Yes, was a master bounty hunter (MBH) up until NGE. Yes, Pre-CU had permadeath. There have been a number of mmo's with PD, some still around.


agreed. Maybe trigger it when beginning the last mission of SoE the blood stained stars epic... where it gets ugly if you don't have the SP yet.

DayZ has this i think, and i know i have heard about others talking about games like this as well but ever played one my self.

For the OP.
Your friend might be used to hard core games, but beyond everything else EVE takes patience.
And sure you can argue that you have to be pretty patient to start from the beginning over and over again, but in those cases you can still build you way up with grinding, in which case the only thing making it more difficult to get back to your previous point is time.

In EVE there is no way to grind your way to the top (unless you count getting enough ISK to buy a high SP character).

But i think your friend has also misunderstood a bit.
Explain to him that in the long run the SP does not mean as much as you would think. Most of the things EVE has to offer can be done on character with a couple of months worth of SP, and some you can do just as efficient as a 100 mill sp char on your first day (t1 tackling frigs are often loved and useful).

So, send him out there and have him try things, and explain to him that he does not have to wait for 2 months before anyone will consider him an asset

If your friends quit, they are the problem.


They fail to realize that the game is about playing, not just "leveling up" your charecter.

They're not great, but the boots in the aurum store aren't much better, either.