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ship for gurista 6-8/10

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Nadezda Morozovovna
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-04-02 12:59:37 UTC
Hello felaz,
question is quite simple, which ship to use for gurista 6-8s
Ishtar is not an option, dont have single skill in gallente and i kinda dont want to wait 2 months for it, tengu is more realistic option, which i would like to avoid as long as possible
i am able to fly amarr/matar/caldari ships, pretty much allof them, got ton of skills in drones,missiles,medium amount of sp in hybrid/projectiles
So far i tried ham legi and its drone version (ye i know) and both was pretty much useless, was also thinking about sacrilege, damnation,broadsword and loki
thanks for any rsponse and hf to trolls Smile
Hav0cide
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#2 - 2014-04-02 13:50:42 UTC
From my experience TENGU

600 dps heavy missiles. 80km range. .
NEAR 1000 DPS HAM`s, 10mn MWD tengu.

I run with tengu + ishtar but solo tengu works fine and tanks with ease.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#3 - 2014-04-02 15:47:11 UTC
Nadezda Morozovovna wrote:
Hello felaz,
question is quite simple, which ship to use for gurista 6-8s
Ishtar is not an option, dont have single skill in gallente and i kinda dont want to wait 2 months for it, tengu is more realistic option, which i would like to avoid as long as possible
i am able to fly amarr/matar/caldari ships, pretty much allof them, got ton of skills in drones,missiles,medium amount of sp in hybrid/projectiles
So far i tried ham legi and its drone version (ye i know) and both was pretty much useless, was also thinking about sacrilege, damnation,broadsword and loki
thanks for any rsponse and hf to trolls Smile


One of these days I'll buy a loki and try it. It will work for 7 and 8, but its easier to make a proteus or tengu work well since they come with natural resists (which is why both of those and the Ishtar can do the 10/10 as well, loki would want a fair bit of pimp for that). Wouldn't be surprised to find the Cerberus works too.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#4 - 2014-04-02 23:19:43 UTC
Tengu. You can get upto 97% kin resists on it. Missiles give you the range, switch between precisions and furys to make the rooms go faster.
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-04-03 07:11:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonas Staal
I used following:

Rail proteus:
+ decent dps at medium range (T2 long range ammo --> Mediocre dmg at long range)
+ Volley can kill elite frigs
- Need low transversal
- no dmg selection

Blaster proteus:
+ Great DPS at close
- Need to fly around alot
- Cannot 'easely' kill the webbing towers in the last room of a DED5
- Terrible damage application
- No damage selection

Sentry proteus:
+ Good DPS at short range
+ Decent DPS at long range
+ Utility high (cloak + probe launcher without losing out on DPS!)
+ No ammo use!!! untill sentries get destroyed
+ Damage selection albeit alot depens on the range you fight in
- Can only carry 2 sets of sentries (2x4) and 1 set of 5smalls in drone bay
- No range bonus
- Pretty much tied to 1 position as long as sentries are out

HML Tengu:
+ Good DPS at long range
+ No need for transversal
+ Damage selection albeit you are mostly stuck to kinetic due to dmg bonus to kinetic only
- Damage loss due to explosion radius / velocity
- Need some effort not to lose volleys due to damage delay of missiles

AC Loki:
+ Decent DPS at short range
+ Damage selection as long as you don't need T2 ammo for range
+ Very good vs elite frigs
- Poor projection (better than blasters, still bad)


If you look at the DED sites with webbing / need of range because of armor repping of buildings if you get within 60-62km:

Blaster proteus is a no go
AC loki is "decent" at the ded5, for a armor repping building it severely lacks damage projection.

Ships I liked best: HML Tengu and Sentry Proteus.
When there is a lack of decent ammo supply the Sentry Proteus really shines.


Oh right - If you do not need the Interdiction Nullifier Sub because of bubbles, I would probbaly go with Ishtar.

And choice ofcourse mildly depends on what faction you will be fighting because of tank.
Yaros Kor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-04-06 12:40:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Yaros Kor
Hi,

this is proven fit (single char 10/10). 1 anti-em rig can be replaced for desired one (i run 10/10 with anti-em). CA-1 + CA-2 + other implants if needed (i run only with CA1+2).
Fits are cheap.

http://joxi.ru/xFlBU_3JTJCtBFo4nWo

and this one is overspeed and overtank :)

http://joxi.ru/y0tBU_3JTJCRBWyOR3A
Yaros Kor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-04-06 12:47:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Yaros Kor
Here is full KIN tank and booster rate based on kinetic damage dealt (but really there is no sence in such fit).

http://joxi.ru/q05BUxjKTJCpZGyONjU
Lothros Andastar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-04-06 13:05:19 UTC
Ishtar can get a utterly stupid level of tank against Guristas.
http://puu.sh/7Y941.png
Replace Shield Relays with DDA and add a Omni if you wanna cut down tank for DPS.
Nadezda Morozovovna
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-04-06 13:22:40 UTC
Thank you for all your responses, as i see, tengu will be probably unavoidable so ill start with skills for it Blink
Yaros Kor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-04-06 13:34:48 UTC
i heard that ishtar can do 10/10 in solo but this will be buttheard due to low damage. I would like to add that you need abt 800 pure dps to kill mother. But 900-950 dps let you pass it comfortable. at the end kill all tacklers first and leave th BSs.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#11 - 2014-04-07 01:54:42 UTC
Yaros Kor wrote:
i heard that ishtar can do 10/10 in solo but this will be buttheard due to low damage. I would like to add that you need abt 800 pure dps to kill mother. But 900-950 dps let you pass it comfortable. at the end kill all tacklers first and leave th BSs.


I think tengus lose a bit of dps in that encounter to defenders, so where 700 will work for a droneboat, tengu probably needs to deal 800.