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Retriver suggestion

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
#21 - 2014-04-03 14:58:43 UTC
Kal'Panda wrote:
My suggestion of giving the Retriever a second mid slot (for a scanner) would enhance its autonomy purpose without changing it mining capacity.
This would allow more efficient mining by being able to know when to short cycle the strip miners.
If one cycle (3 min.) of a strip miner yields 5,000 units of ore and the roid you are mining only contains 1,250 units you can stop your strip miner at ¼ cycle (45 sec) complete and start on a new roid, thus saving time.
But without the scanner you don’t know how much of the riod is remaining.
And yes this would give you a shield tank (just as the rebalance intended) and a scanner.

From the dev log:

• The Covetor and Hulk cater to group mining operations due to their large mining capability, low EHP and storage, forcing them to rely on others to haul and resupply them with mining crystals.
The Retriever and Mackinaw are specifically designed for autonomy purposes, as their large ore bays allow their pilot to stay inside an asteroid belt for longer without having to dock.
The Procurer and Skiff are made for protection against suicide gank, or NPCs, by giving a large enough buffer to react to incoming attacks, while paying for that with a lower mining yield.

All the barges are getting their tanks adjusted to favor shields rather than structure hit points.

Highlighted the important parts. The retriever was NOT designed to have the shield buffer, the Procurer was.

By the way, you have rig slots. You can use them for some additional tank. There aren't any mining rigs anyhow so what else are you gonna put there.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-04-04 22:05:24 UTC
Kal'Panda wrote:
since most Retrievers use a shield extender in the mid slot.

That's called a choice. If you want tank, fly a procurer.
Nolen Cadmar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-04-08 13:21:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Nolen Cadmar
Kal'Panda wrote:
Laiannah Sahireen wrote:
Kal'Panda wrote:
The Venture has room for a scanner and shields, the Mack the same so why doesn't the Retriever. It seem like a step backward

You know a Mack is literally just a higher-tech version of the retriever right? It is created using a retriever blueprint. So the retriever having one mid and the Mackinaw having more makes perfect sense. The Mack is a more advanced mining ship and has room for extra tools like the scanner.

This is a step forwards, not a step backwards.

Yep, the Retriever has only one (1) mid slot the Mack bumps it up to four (4). The Retriever has four (4) lows and the Mack only three (3). I'm thinking that a Retriever with two (2) mid slots and three (3) lows would make a better step up from a Venture without making the Mack any less valuable (it is the Best solo Exhumer for ore). Of course this may make the Retriever more valuable so the price may change making it take longer for a new player to get into one.

The point of the retriever having only 1 mid-slot is so that you HAVE to choose between survey scanner OR extender/invul.

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Wulfgar WarHammer
#24 - 2014-04-08 14:44:13 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
By the way, you have rig slots. You can use them for some additional tank. There aren't any mining rigs anyhow so what else are you gonna put there.

Mining drone rigs. With Drone Interfacing V and Mining Drones V, they actually pull in quite a bit
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-04-08 15:39:23 UTC
Muffet McStrudel wrote:
Just train for a Covetor or keep training and get in a Procurer or Mackinaw.

Don't fly Covetors solo. They don't have a large enough ore hold to support their mining speed, and they are the most tempting of the T1 barges for suicide gankers.
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