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What if: ECM

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-04-04 18:06:09 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:


Boy'd Id LOVE to pilot that ship... sure sounds like FUN!! /sarcasm


May not be fun, but your going to be combat-effective.

I wonder if counter-EWAR pilots in real life think its boring? What?

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Vipre Morte
Team JK
#42 - 2014-04-04 19:41:57 UTC
Has anyone thought about communications jamming? When hit, your chat and voice channels go down for a period of time, so you can't call in backup. Maybe ppl couldn't warp to you either.

If it has been brought up, sorry, today is too "Friday" to read that much.
Serene Repose
#43 - 2014-04-04 20:08:30 UTC
Candidate for the Try Not To Think grant. Winners will be chosen at a later date.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2014-04-04 22:02:19 UTC
The problem with your idea is that it creates a mechanical element of skill in the game, something Eve players obviously hate (take a look at all the hate the loot spew introduced in the game). Better leave ecm as it is, its not even that strong considering ecm boats are usually paper and the ecm mechanic is rng based. Things like neuts destroy much more than your ability to fire most of the time, along other things and never miss for example.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2014-04-04 22:20:45 UTC
Vipre Morte wrote:
Has anyone thought about communications jamming? When hit, your chat and voice channels go down for a period of time, so you can't call in backup. Maybe ppl couldn't warp to you either.

If it has been brought up, sorry, today is too "Friday" to read that much.


That would be a great idea, but there is nothing you could do to get around third party chat providers, like teamspeak/ventrillo/ect.

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Willmahh
#46 - 2014-04-04 23:06:48 UTC
Overview jamming :)

the tears would be joyous.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#47 - 2014-04-05 00:37:32 UTC
ECM should come with the compromise of breaking ALL locks on the ship too, except or the ship maintaining the jam.

This would force the aggressing squad to to resort to FOFs and drones, just like the target.

Also, since the bomb launcher demonstrates the ability to launch something into the direction of travel without a lock, we should have the option of doing this with all turrets and bays when jammed so we at least have what I think the OP is asking for.

And that would be called "a fighting chance".




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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#48 - 2014-04-05 00:48:12 UTC
dumb idea gas thread
Puhnk Riddell
the DOTwarpunk Initiative
#49 - 2014-04-05 03:38:09 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
This idea seems awfully familiar...


Wow, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks current ECM is OP and dull Big smile

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
ECM should come with the compromise of breaking ALL locks on the ship too, except or the ship maintaining the jam.


Just as alot of people's opinion leads them to disagree with my idea, my own opinion leads me to disagree with this. Only the targeted ship should be affected.

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Also, since the bomb launcher demonstrates the ability to launch something into the direction of travel without a lock, we should have the option of doing this with all turrets and bays when jammed so we at least have what I think the OP is asking for.

And that would be called "a fighting chance".






Not what I was proposing but as far as use for ECM this would be a great idea and is probably alot more doable and easier to implement than my idea.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-04-05 04:09:53 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
ECM should come with the compromise of breaking ALL locks on the ship too, except or the ship maintaining the jam.

This would force the aggressing squad to to resort to FOFs and drones, just like the target.

Also, since the bomb launcher demonstrates the ability to launch something into the direction of travel without a lock, we should have the option of doing this with all turrets and bays when jammed so we at least have what I think the OP is asking for.

And that would be called "a fighting chance".






So does this mean that ships who scram are also scrammed? How about web/damp?

The whole point is to find a way to imbalance an engagement in your favor. Its not suppose to be fair. Either fit for counter ecm or deal with being jammed.

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WouldYouEver HaveSexWith aGoat
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-04-05 16:03:29 UTC  |  Edited by: WouldYouEver HaveSexWith aGoat
Jenn aSide wrote:
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
I see no one has suggested ECCM, Remote Sensor Booster, ECM Busts, Target Breakers, ECM drones on hostile and the many other counters that exist....Also D-SCANAttention


And right here is an EVE player, because a real EVE player exhausts all possible tools to counter a problem BEFORe considering the problem 'unbalanced'.

(Not that the Op did that, just speaking in general).

Devil's advocate time.

Two forms of EWAR: EWAR 1 and EWAR 2

EWAR 1 can be countered with 50% efficiency using a single tool. Cannot be countered any other way.
EWAR 2 can be countered with 50% efficiency using a single tool. There are 4 tools available; you must pick the right tool for the given situation to achieve 50% efficiency. If you pick the wrong tool, you counter with 10% efficiency.

In this scenario both forms of EWAR have a counter yet EWAR 2 is considerably more powerful.

Thus: Counters existing does not equate to balance.
WASPY69
Xerum.
#52 - 2014-04-05 19:18:28 UTC
Puhnk Riddell wrote:
Truth is, nobody really likes Jams (I'm expecting comments like "that's not true brah" but whatevs), not even the ones doing the jamming, yeah you get a kill, but the whole "victory" just seems...empty. For a good setup, those who fly as a jammer get to contribute very little dps if any at all and although they appear on the mail they more often than not feel kinda left out of the kill club.

I will skip my commenting on what an absolute sh*t post your OP is. And i'd like to add that I've on several occasions flown ECM ships in fleets. Griffins, Kitsunes (Yes, love that little thing <3), Blackbirds, Falcons, and the Scorpion. So I've had my fair share of experience being on the giving end of ECM. And I would really beg to differ with your quoted paragraph.
The victory never seems empty whatsoever, if anything it just feels super rewarding knowing your target is probably butt clenching in rage.
And from your last sentence it's pretty clear you've never flown in an effective fleet before. As an ECM pilot your main priority is on JAMMING, not the dps. The dps, usually consisting of your drones is just a bonus. As an ewar pilot in a fleet you're assuming the support role, making sure your fleet mates take minimal losses.

Yes.. you don't get to be Captain America in your 9000 dps, quadruple 1600mm tanked battleship getting your panties wet knowing you got top damage. Any fleet will love you long time if you step up and say hey, I would love to fly ECM/Damps/Whatever.

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#53 - 2014-04-05 20:59:50 UTC
Where is the chaff?

In the falklands war, british ships used chaff to distract argentinian aircraft launched missles into detonating within iron clouds.

You want to talk about ECM? Where is it's major component, anti ship missile defense chaff?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#54 - 2014-04-05 21:34:00 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
I see no one has suggested ECCM, Remote Sensor Booster, ECM Busts, Target Breakers, ECM drones on hostile and the many other counters that exist....Also D-SCANAttention


And right here is an EVE player, because a real EVE player exhausts all possible tools to counter a problem BEFORe considering the problem 'unbalanced'.

(Not that the Op did that, just speaking in general).

Other than the fact that out of his list, only one is even close to a counter and unlike every other 'counter Ewar' module, it provides no effective benefits when used without ECM.
Really, you know better than to defend ECM's current mechanic. It's like Sov, it only endures because no-one can work out how to improve it in a way most people will be happy with, but it's terrible currently.
Willmahh
#55 - 2014-04-25 20:24:05 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
I see no one has suggested ECCM, Remote Sensor Booster, ECM Busts, Target Breakers, ECM drones on hostile and the many other counters that exist....Also D-SCANAttention


And right here is an EVE player, because a real EVE player exhausts all possible tools to counter a problem BEFORe considering the problem 'unbalanced'.

(Not that the Op did that, just speaking in general).

Other than the fact that out of his list, only one is even close to a counter and unlike every other 'counter Ewar' module, it provides no effective benefits when used without ECM.
Really, you know better than to defend ECM's current mechanic. It's like Sov, it only endures because no-one can work out how to improve it in a way most people will be happy with, but it's terrible currently.


i see no problem;

ECM is the only module that has a % chance to fail. - that alone is makes it less op than a scram, or web.


The one thing no one ever fits against (unless they're Logi pilots) is the one they call OP....

honestly, i feel ALL modules should have a chance to fail: scrams, webs, neuts, even missiles should have a fail chance (just assume all ships would have chaff).
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2014-04-25 20:30:37 UTC
Nice job Willmah. Welcome back from Necropolis.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#57 - 2014-04-25 21:07:15 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
This

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--> Features & Ideas Discussion






It's still nowhere near as bad as that horrible post where the guy was asking CCP to make a new ship that looks like a Drake with the front end off an Avatar, that can armor and shield tank at the same time.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
CETA Elitist
The Prometheus Society
#58 - 2014-04-25 23:12:17 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Spurty wrote:

So I cant use a computer to aim, why can I not just shoot "forwards" exactly? Hoes the trigger on a gun being affected?

Also we have these lush properties such as lockable targets. Why aren't they just affected rather than the trigger?

ECM is voodoo whichever side of the fence you're on.


Try shooting a jumbo-jet sized target moving at 2000 mps with a pea which shoots at 5 times the speed of sound from a distance of 30 kilometers without a computer


You say that like its hard or something.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#59 - 2014-04-25 23:14:09 UTC
Nurf falcon, lock thread.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#60 - 2014-04-25 23:55:36 UTC
This thread should be moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. But as it would get locked there for being redundant as there are several thread on the same subject, I might as well lock it right here.

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