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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2041 - 2014-04-03 23:28:27 UTC
To be honest, I'm gonna be the bigger man and just walk away on this one. You don't get what the issue is here, no amount of explaining it seems to be helping you get it and you are going to keep crying on at me about what you think constitutes bad behaviour like a broken record. Feel free to drop me a mail if you ever figure it out. Later!

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Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#2042 - 2014-04-03 23:30:34 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Jayem See wrote:
Whilst I do hear you - and you are right, we have found our point of mutual disagreement - the fact that it was made available and impacts on their IP gives them the right to make a decision.

You don't like it. I personally find it....ok.

It seems that most people find that it is ok as well. I behave "roughly" the same in Eve as I do IRL - I don't expect everyone to. I do expect them to be grown up and adult enough to see where that line is. If CCP have to bash in occasionally then fine.

I would prefer a safe, dark, tense, awkward space without that level of unpleasantness.

If they start meddling too much I will be with you but in this instance I think they got it right.
But this isn;t about what you think is good and bad behaviour or what I think is good an bad behaviour. How are you still nto getting that that is beside the point. The only point is that CCP have acted on something they have previously explicitly stated they will not act on yet haven;t stated where the new line is drawn.

I get the impression that you seem to think I'm petitioning to unban Erotica 1. I couldn't give a flying **** what happens with regard to that situation, but whatever way it falls, I feel we deserve to know where the line is drawn. Are 3rd party forums covered? What about twitter, facebook, blogs? Or is it just voice comms and singing that's banned?


I think that is pretty clear - if you screw CCP by doing something on comms that is clearly objectionable then they have the right to withdraw service.

Is that clear enough?

It doesn't matter about definitions - you cannot define human nature online. It comes down to a case by case basis. If you want to push that line then go for it. If you can still post afterwards then let us know how you got on.

Your insistence on definition is a little unrealistic.

If it is related to CCP in any way then they can make a choice. I don't know how I can make that much clearer. It's not me, it's not the law, it's not morality - it's the space we play in.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#2043 - 2014-04-03 23:37:17 UTC
So... is the bonus room real life harassment? Do soundcloud channels, teamspeak and player blogs count as real-life? If so, the minerbumping blog is a blatant violation as it publicly humiliates players without their consent or allow them to walk away from it!

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2044 - 2014-04-04 00:36:28 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
So... is the bonus room real life harassment? Do soundcloud channels, teamspeak and player blogs count as real-life? If so, the minerbumping blog is a blatant violation as it publicly humiliates players without their consent or allow them to walk away from it!



This is going to be good. Firing up the hot air popper.

Mr Epeen Cool
Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2045 - 2014-04-04 00:43:03 UTC
I suggest

CCP take Jesters suggestions and enact them.

They then take the usual rage behemoth at the same level.

Then they carry on, knowing they did all they could, and will again.

"caught on fire a little bit, just a little."

"Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangs all here!"

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2046 - 2014-04-04 02:44:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

CCP seems to have far too much tolerance for real life threats when they are addressed at the "bad guy" players, from what I have seen.



Whats funny is I broke Malcanis in another thread because I suggested you shouldnt be banned for telling the devs to "diaf" on these forums.

But its OK if youre mad?

Jaxon Grylls wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

Sohkar not filing (and proving) charges of harassment in court is EXACTLY the point. Erotica 1 appears to have been banned for real life harassment (see thread title), yet no real life harassment has been proven in court. Many accused Erotica 1 of real life harassment as their main rallying cry to ban him remember?

Sophistry, pettifogging and general hair-splitting. You might do well as a lawyer.

CCP perceived a threat to their reputation and took action against the person bringing their name and business into disrepute.

If someone threatened your livelihood wouldn't you do all in your power to protect yourself?


See Case # 000T20; CCP Vs Kugutsumen for references

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2047 - 2014-04-04 02:51:18 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Liese Shardani wrote:
I doubt those who've already dug in on the "Ripard Teg got Erotica banned" and "CCP had no jurisdiction/was wrong to ban him" positions will care one way or another, but the podcasts linked by Mike Azariah in his CSM thread are very informative (insofar as his NDA allows) about what actually has been going on.


Mike used an analogy of some boys, in a school he worked at, that had sexually assaulted female students - as comparable to what occurred between Eros and Sohkar(in that first podcast) to let people know where he stands in regards to this incident. Can someone explain how he equates physical sexual assault to be even remotely the same as to what occurred between Eros and Sohkar?



Unless the girl afterwards said she was cool with them and nothing bad happened, um... it doesnt

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2048 - 2014-04-04 02:53:39 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:

The EULA, TOS and anything else you want to quote applies to customers, common sense is meant to pre-empt all that. CCP can do what they want.


Google "Shrinkwrap contract"

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2049 - 2014-04-04 02:57:07 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Am not going to quote your posts. No need.

It's clear who has lost control here.

The 3rd party comms bit has been covered.

I should add at this point that I have never been scammed. I don't hate E1. I'm not a fan of Ripard and I don't feel irate.

I got upvoted by E1 in the original thread as I wasn't convinced that he should be banned.

Now - perhaps you could stop telling me to remove my head from my ass and be civil.

Nothing has changed, Lucas. The only thing that has happened is that CCP has stepped in against something they find objectionable.

Bumping an orca might be a pain for the pilot but until you have killed it you haven't gained anything. If you popped it and then spent three hours bumping the pod then I think you would have something to answer to, no?


Im more curious, if you do the exact same thing with the Bonus room but do it on a private chat, is it OK? Since theres no longer then an out of game element.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#2050 - 2014-04-04 03:06:19 UTC
This is why these threads sperg forever: half the trolls are begging for rules to cover every last possible aspect of EvE so that they need never use common sense, the other half of the trolls are pretending to think that way in order to provoke explanations from decent minded people who can't tell they are being trolled.
Like that post saying Ero1 wasn't charged in court therefore no wrong was done, GODDAM school really broke your fragile little mind didn't it? No rule/regulation/law covers it, therefore no transgression? It's like lawyers have removed your brain and turned you from a human into a customer.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Liese Shardani
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2051 - 2014-04-04 03:23:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Liese Shardani
When Erotica posted the link to the Sohkar Bonus Round on the EVE forums in late February, that cleared up any question of the audio possibly being doctored to frame him.

It also brought an incident that occurred on a third party platform here onto CCP property. His posting of it, since he was the instigator, could be seen as further harassment of the victim.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2052 - 2014-04-04 05:21:16 UTC
Liese Shardani wrote:
When Erotica posted the link to the Sohkar Bonus Round on the EVE forums in late February, that cleared up any question of the audio possibly being doctored to frame him.

It also brought an incident that occurred on a third party platform here onto CCP property. His posting of it, since he was the instigator, could be seen as further harassment of the victim.


So when they learned about it happening in their game in November....

Between then and Feb, they did nothing because...........

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Tesco Ergo Sum
#2053 - 2014-04-04 05:22:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tesco Ergo Sum
Lucas Kell wrote:
To be honest, I'm gonna be the bigger man and just walk away on this one. You don't get what the issue is here, no amount of explaining it seems to be helping you get it and you are going to keep crying on at me about what you think constitutes bad behaviour like a broken record. Feel free to drop me a mail if you ever figure it out. Later!


Sorry you feel that way but you're missing the point here and the patient explanations of CCP, CSM and other players are beyond you.

Good advice on walking away. hope the other trolls follow it...
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2054 - 2014-04-04 05:27:39 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Liese Shardani wrote:
When Erotica posted the link to the Sohkar Bonus Round on the EVE forums in late February, that cleared up any question of the audio possibly being doctored to frame him.

It also brought an incident that occurred on a third party platform here onto CCP property. His posting of it, since he was the instigator, could be seen as further harassment of the victim.


So when they learned about it happening in their game in November....

Between then and Feb, they did nothing because...........


Because that's the way they roll.

I know that. You know that. Pretty much everyone that has played longer than a week knows that.

Mr Epeen Cool
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#2055 - 2014-04-04 05:34:48 UTC
Mr Epeen back in the day where he wasn't just a troll wrote:
It means they think you are a greedy idiot, not to put too fine a point on it.


How this thread differs from this one after the pussyfication of EVE and the forums raged on unchecked is shocking to observe.

Well, I don't like Feyd much but he sure knows what it's all about.

D.

Bear

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Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Tesco Ergo Sum
#2056 - 2014-04-04 05:37:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tesco Ergo Sum
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
So... is the bonus room real life harassment? Do soundcloud channels, teamspeak and player blogs count as real-life? If so, the minerbumping blog is a blatant violation as it publicly humiliates players without their consent or allow them to walk away from it!


Do the players that are humiliated have any recourse to remove content posted about them?

Does the site in question comply with the policies of the hosting provider?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2057 - 2014-04-04 05:44:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Mr Epeen wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Liese Shardani wrote:
When Erotica posted the link to the Sohkar Bonus Round on the EVE forums in late February, that cleared up any question of the audio possibly being doctored to frame him.

It also brought an incident that occurred on a third party platform here onto CCP property. His posting of it, since he was the instigator, could be seen as further harassment of the victim.


So when they learned about it happening in their game in November....

Between then and Feb, they did nothing because...........


Because that's the way they roll.

I know that. You know that. Pretty much everyone that has played longer than a week knows that.

Mr Epeen Cool


So your defense is "um because they like to be pushed around and wait for the mob"?

Cause mob justice is what we have now.

Tesco Ergo Sum wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
So... is the bonus room real life harassment? Do soundcloud channels, teamspeak and player blogs count as real-life? If so, the minerbumping blog is a blatant violation as it publicly humiliates players without their consent or allow them to walk away from it!


Do the players that are humiliated have any recourse to remove content posted about them?

Does the site in question comply with the policies of the hosting provider?


Do victims have any recourse to remove consent of other players to make reports (or blogs in this case) for them?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2058 - 2014-04-04 05:52:53 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:


Cause mob justice is what we have now.



Mob crying is all I see. And the mob is 90% you. Post after post after post of nothing but major butt hurt.

Mr Epeen Cool
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2059 - 2014-04-04 05:54:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Mr Epeen wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:


Cause mob justice is what we have now.



Mob crying is all I see. And the mob is 90% you. Post after post after post of nothing but major butt hurt.

Mr Epeen Cool


again, you see tears where I am laughing but hey, if all you want to see is butt hurt, maybe butts are your thing?

Im not judging though, I like fat chicks XD

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#2060 - 2014-04-04 06:22:50 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Liese Shardani wrote:
When Erotica posted the link to the Sohkar Bonus Round on the EVE forums in late February, that cleared up any question of the audio possibly being doctored to frame him.

It also brought an incident that occurred on a third party platform here onto CCP property. His posting of it, since he was the instigator, could be seen as further harassment of the victim.


So when they learned about it happening in their game in November....

Between then and Feb, they did nothing because...........


Well clearly they did nothing because they didn't care...it wasn't until a CSM that wants to be a self-righteous Inquisitor wrote about it.