EVE General Discussion

I pretty much *never* listen to podcasts because a lot of times it's, like, pleeeeease get to the point, but these turned out to be worth listening to.

I won't draw any conclusions here or connect the dots from what Mike was saying. He makes some interesting points in particular on the question of jurisdiction. People who listen will decide on their own. He comes across as very measured and even-handed, and I personally appreciated that.

The RL example about the school is one part I found most interesting. That's the harassment and jurisdiction stuff.

But yeah, there's a bit to wade through to get to the key points.

You're right, they simply want to unburden their souls on the GD community with circular arguements because that makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE...

Every little helps.

Ed - this might have been wasted on a large number of people.

They have explicitly stated before that they do not deal with anything that happens outside of EVE communications, even if it begins there. Other people have been actually insulted and threatened outside of EVE and they have always been told to contact the authorities if they feel the need but CCP can't act. This is clearly a departure from that rule. It doesn't matter if they found it objectionable in this instance, it's still them setting a precedent. The bonus room isn't even close to the worst I've heard people being treated, yet it got CCPs attention.

And it's now going to leave a permanent mark on people freedom within the game. Everyone will have to constantly be thinking if the other side of a conversation is going to suddenly throw a fit and start smashing up their keyboard because you said something they don;t like to hear. Whether or not people agree with what CCP did isn't going to change that effect.

BTW if CCP thought that this issue was simply going to go away by banning someone...I guess they were sadly mistaken. I have now seen articles on this subject in various online gaming websites, and sites like Liveleak, and Reddit. It's clear that their intention to have this just go away...isn't quite working out.

More likely they did it because it wasn't blowing over. If no one took note, i doubt we'd have this thread to discuss the issue in as any actions that were taken would be of no concern.

Indeed the CSM needs to take into account that comparisons between situations cannot be made unless the situations have the same level of severity, and as such any clear parallels should be clearly ignored because... well... I have no idea really.

In this particular case, Mike has chosen an example that is purposely extreme and globally hated. The bonus room, which was a person choosing to sing, realising they got scammed then raging out like a child was not even close to similar, but by picking an extreme subject for comparison he puts people of disagreeing.

And yes, CCP were perfectly within their rights. And their perfectly within their rights to ban people for anything they want. But that doesn't change the fact that a new precedent has been set. the exact same guys that said "be the villain", "Everything is fair game" and "HTFU" (as a song no less), are now drawing lines. To make it worse, they aren't even saying where they are drawing those lines, just "don't make people too sad/angry", which is entirely subjective. I mean I could take the stance that any time someone says something I don't like I'm just going to start flying off the handle at moment 1. If they don't back off, then they are continuing when I'm showing clear signs of distress and the banhammer will swing, right?

After careful thought, I've decided that you are all right.

Now someone give me a damn like. It's killing me to sit at 4999.

Mr Epeen

Oh hey you know you guys sound really childish if not autistic when you try to hold CCP to some set of rules?
Internet freedom everywhere is threatened by over-reactions to the antics of miserable, self-absorbed rebels who destroy the feeding hand then stand back saying "Dude, what?" when consequences ensue.
The EULA, TOS and anything else you want to quote applies to customers, common sense is meant to pre-empt all that. CCP can do what they want.