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Moon goo in wormholes
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Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-04-02 20:18:57 UTC
Why isn't there any, and what would adding that to the game look like?
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2014-04-02 20:24:23 UTC
Because no caps in WH space to take down these POS?

There are caps, especially in high class WH, but all other WH only have very limited capabilities of caps. Taking down a Death Star with sub caps is a hassle, and would result in the farming of moon minerals in relative peace, which is not desirable.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-04-02 20:24:33 UTC
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Why isn't there any, and what would adding that to the game look like?


Oh please dear god no
RoAnnon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-04-02 21:03:56 UTC
With sleeper loot and T3 salvage from the site escalations, and the level of PI equal to 0.0, wormhole residents already have the ability to virtually print ISKies. Add the extra passive income that can be generated from Moon Goo and the galactic economy would be in serious trouble.

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Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#5 - 2014-04-02 21:09:42 UTC
Coming from someone who lives in a wormhole who likes having isk.... Nah I don't think this is needed in game... Certainly not via the POS method like in null, if it was something that was easier to destroy then it could work perhaps....
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-04-03 00:44:50 UTC
Thanks for the input. Mind you I'm not actually advocating for it, just curious *why* and what the ramifications of it would be, both negative and positive.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-04-03 01:43:54 UTC
See, this is what I dont get. now Im not advocating for or against ehre but, people always assume "moon goo in wormholes" means ALL wormholes, from C1-6, adn itd be bad beause "cant siege with caps in them". People seem to forget in an afternoon an alliance can get 10-15 caps into a C5/6 wormhole EASY if they actually WANT to siege someone. So why not argue for JUST C5/6 for moon goo?

That and unlike null, 100% of the income in wormholes requires loading it up and hauling it to k-space, which can sometimes take weeks for a good connection, with every w-space, null, or low system between you and your exit increasing the chances of you losing EVERY isk of income from the last month.

So, moon goo in wormholes WOULDNT be a "infinite isk" supply for wormholes, because it would effectively quadruple or quintuple the amount of haulers wormholes have to send out and back for supplies/materials/goods to make their cash, providing AMPLE ganking opportunity.

Just saying, wormholes are harder to maek money in than null, where a good chunk of your income is dished out every 15 minutes, and anytime you need to buy/sell you can have a JF out to high and back in a couple hours.
Karma Anstian
Chimera Research and Development
#8 - 2014-04-03 05:25:55 UTC
Wormholes are not supposed to be permanent places of residency. Your ability to make isk in your wormhole diminishes overtime and then builds back up after periods of inactivity. If i remember my WH mechanics correctly.

Also WH's are already the richest places in EvE
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#9 - 2014-04-04 15:40:06 UTC
High-end WH's can make pretty good isk. C1-C4 not as much unless you have a great PI set-up.

On another note: WH's are the only place a small/medium size corp can set up shop in their 'own' space. It's the Null that Null should have been. Let's not give a reason for the big boys to come take away our vacation homes?
Alundil
Rolled Out
#10 - 2014-04-04 16:15:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Alundil
Karma Anstian wrote:
Wormholes are not supposed to be permanent places of residency. Your ability to make isk in your wormhole diminishes overtime and then builds back up after periods of inactivity. If i remember my WH mechanics correctly.

Also WH's are already the richest places in EvE

Some of them might be pretty close in potential. But as a blanket statement this is pretty false. It's a myth that people continue to perpetuate for some reason. But it's no where near the level of some good truesec deep 0.0 places in terms of actual realized profit due to the fact that the anoms are always there ready for the picking and deep 0.0 is so well warned by the bloc-level intel channels that only the "bads" die to hunters/hot droppers. Nevermind the fact that passive moon income for even "lowly" bloc member alliances is many billion per month.


With all that said - I wouldn't want moon mining in w-space if it was the same thing that occurs in 0.0. If it were possible to do that with a different end result/mineral output that might drive a separate type of industry.....perhaps.....but in general no thank you.

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Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-04-05 01:02:40 UTC
Would wh PI be more palatable if moon-mining were a planet-side operation that could be attacked by planetary bombardment, and defended by these big damn planetary defense guns we see keep being advertised for dust? I mean, I'd like to see more options for this kind of thing, especially considering how worthless c1s are.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-04-05 01:16:10 UTC
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Would wh PI be more palatable if moon-mining were a planet-side operation that could be attacked by planetary bombardment, and defended by these big damn planetary defense guns we see keep being advertised for dust? I mean, I'd like to see more options for this kind of thing, especially considering how worthless c1s are.

I watched the first videos where a moros was wrecking the surface players and almost wet myself with pleasure watching the dread get melted in return from the ground.

Sadly it's a whole other ballgame trying to implement this in a fun way for EVE players and DUST bunnies.
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-04-05 01:20:50 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Would wh PI be more palatable if moon-mining were a planet-side operation that could be attacked by planetary bombardment, and defended by these big damn planetary defense guns we see keep being advertised for dust? I mean, I'd like to see more options for this kind of thing, especially considering how worthless c1s are.

I watched the first videos where a moros was wrecking the surface players and almost wet myself with pleasure watching the dread get melted in return from the ground.

Sadly it's a whole other ballgame trying to implement this in a fun way for EVE players and DUST bunnies.


Oh I know, which is why I'm guessing the're waiting awhile until they finish the rebalance initiative to do more stuff with SI and dust will be in-line with better tech options down the line. But TBH I really do think this would be a great way to re-imagine moon mining. It would definitely coincide with the starbase rebalance down the road, but I do think wh should have the option for at least some moon mining, since it's a giant hole in the game from a consistency perspective.