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Patches and Updates - Simply too many

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Naldo
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#1 - 2014-03-27 17:58:21 UTC
Apparently CCP has changed the operating /update model from large updates applied occasionally to many smaller patches and updates applied frequently often a few a week (that's what the GM feedback was when I queried).

Speaking personally I am getting more than a little frustrated of getting home logging on and having to wait for the latest update, by my count it's 2 so far this week , I can appreciate the necessity when something is really broken but mostly it appears these are just tweaks to do things the developers want to do and are not essential to game play at all..

Again from what the GM who fed back to me told me , that's the new policy and it's not going to change so I'd appreciate some CSM action here to feedback directly to the developers on this matter.

Thanks,

Naldo.
Gekkoh
Circle of Steel Inc.
#2 - 2014-03-27 23:13:28 UTC
I agree.

Rapid fire patching a live service is asking for trouble. Let this stuff bake in bigger batches before deploying it.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2014-03-28 02:25:37 UTC
Smaller patches are by and large better than big ones. That way, when problems happen (and they always do no matter how much testing you do), they can quickly identify and fix it.

How did you Veterans start?
Halaxi
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#4 - 2014-03-28 12:21:11 UTC
CCP changed to this schedule so that they could implement things as and when they were needed/ready to be implemented/etc, rather than wait for scheduled main patch dates and implement them then.

You know the whole fixing Little Things initiative? Yeah, that is involved with the frequent small patch schedule. So yeah, if you'd like to wait ages for that trivial yet annoying bit of the UI to be fixed, then sure, by all means go back to the old way.

I also wonder how happy you would be to have to spend longer to download patches, due to the increased size (because they aren't being broken down into smaller release-when-ready chunks)?

Any patch they put in is of benefit to the game, whether it be an immediate benefit (i.e. module or UI change), or long term, by putting the groundwork in for future releases.

Hal.
Why yes, yes I am going to shoot you.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#5 - 2014-03-28 12:53:04 UTC
Naldo wrote:


Speaking personally I am getting more than a little frustrated of getting home logging on and having to wait for the latest update, by my count it's 2 so far this week ,


Seriously, its like 45 seconds of downloading, maybe a min and a half tops.

If its really giving you that much frustration, I would suggest cutting out the Coffee after 2pm and try some yoga or meditation....

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-03-28 17:01:07 UTC
Gekkoh wrote:
I agree.

Rapid fire patching a live service is asking for trouble. Let this stuff bake in bigger batches before deploying it.


Actually its completely the opposite. You have to have the right infrastructure, development and QA process behind it, but many smaller releases is better than fewer large releases. CI and CD is the way forward ;).
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#7 - 2014-03-28 22:32:00 UTC
Multiple small patches that apply hotfixes are better than multiple large patches which take ages to download.

So I say, let the many patches and updates continue.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-03-30 05:05:30 UTC
Naldo wrote:
Apparently CCP has changed the operating /update model from large updates applied occasionally to many smaller patches and updates applied frequently often a few a week (that's what the GM feedback was when I queried).

Speaking personally I am getting more than a little frustrated of getting home logging on and having to wait for the latest update, by my count it's 2 so far this week , I can appreciate the necessity when something is really broken but mostly it appears these are just tweaks to do things the developers want to do and are not essential to game play at all..

Again from what the GM who fed back to me told me , that's the new policy and it's not going to change so I'd appreciate some CSM action here to feedback directly to the developers on this matter.

Thanks,

Naldo.


oh no, the developers are actually doing things regularly and in smaller amounts, instead of just dumping one massive change occasionally and leaving it broken for several months.

more seriously, Were at a point in time where internet is fairly accesible and cheap, even in wireless form. If you have trouble affording a better connection, then maybe shelling out cash monthly for a game isnt the best course of action for your finances. If its a matter of just accessing an internet fast enough to download these patches (that under any practical connection takes less than a minute), I feel very badfor whatever hellhole of Earth your job has you stuck at.
brinelan
#9 - 2014-03-31 21:20:27 UTC
So you like bugs to not get fixed?
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#10 - 2014-04-01 17:31:52 UTC
"There are too few patches. CCP, patch more so you fix things faster."

"There are too many patches. CCP, patch less so we have less patches to download."

"Now there are too few patches! CCP..."

And the circle of whine goes on.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-04-01 23:29:26 UTC
Ugh game improvements.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2014-04-02 21:38:14 UTC
Lykouleon wrote:
"There are too few patches. CCP, patch more so you fix things faster."

"There are too many patches. CCP, patch less so we have less patches to download."

"Now there are too few patches! CCP..."

And the circle of whine goes on.


Why can't CCP just make everything perfect immediately?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#13 - 2014-04-04 04:09:22 UTC
just because it isn't broken for you it doesn't mean it isn't broken for someone else. Bugs should be fixed ASAP, CCP is doing it right.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#14 - 2014-04-04 08:25:59 UTC
You should get upset when CCP stops doing patches and updates!

...
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#15 - 2014-04-05 03:27:46 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Why can't CCP just make everything perfect immediately?

Probably because they're spending too much time enjoying your company and loving, magnetic personality?

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
#16 - 2014-04-07 11:45:40 UTC
Gekkoh wrote:
I agree.

Rapid fire patching a live service is asking for trouble. Let this stuff bake in bigger batches before deploying it.


As a hobbyist programmer, I echo what's been said elsewhere here: smaller patches are faster to release, easier to download and if (when) something goes 'blooey', they're easier to track and repair.

Aside from that, they also remove a lot of smaller, less-urgent bug fixes from the list before the Big Patch goes live, whch has the double (triple?) effect of reducing the possibility of some unresolved bug breaking the patch, and a smaller overall size for the Big Patch (since they're not cramming so many tiny and semi-relevant bug-fixes in on top of the huge upate).
HK -56
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-06-18 16:50:04 UTC
Lykouleon wrote:
"There are too few patches. CCP, patch more so you fix things faster."

"There are too many patches. CCP, patch less so we have less patches to download."

"Now there are too few patches! CCP..."

And the circle of whine goes on.

It is obvious that the way the patches are happening, and not the frequency, is the issue at hand. It is very annoying (not too mention amateurish) to click my EVE icon and it responds, "We're STILL not working proper, let me try to fix myself for the nth time this week!".

CCP should implement background patching that constantly keeps the EVE client up to date, so it is ready to go when you're ready to play.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-06-18 17:12:14 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Lykouleon wrote:
"There are too few patches. CCP, patch more so you fix things faster."

"There are too many patches. CCP, patch less so we have less patches to download."

"Now there are too few patches! CCP..."

And the circle of whine goes on.


Why can't CCP just make everything perfect immediately?


Because of Falcon, of course.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.