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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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This is exactly how I feel. If the recording was used as a basis for action against E1, how in the holy heck could action not be taken against Sokhar? See my sig.

Also, I have a REAL problem with CCP policing privately-owned 3rd party platforms. What are they, the NSA?

Wait, Isnt Test in HERO. Are you telling me Test are running clean comms? Also all the good stories do come from villains.

Malcanis,

I do have to admit though in regard to CCP falcons post in one of the other threads discussing this...



I have the distinct feeling that if erotica and company had cut this bonus round short when sohkar started throwing around the first profanities and it looked like this was going to start going down hill, we probably are not having this discussion.

Nothing that CCP has said expressly prohibits the 'bonus room'. I just have the feeling that CCP wants it cut short before someone goes into full rage mode. While this line is different from person to person, it is clear in the recording where sohkar starts to lose it, even before his full out rage.

But as it is we have this mess...

You guys do have to admit that the time line on the sequence of events the past week does look pretty suspicious, but seeing as I have beaten that poor dead horse to a pulp, I do have a couple of unanswered concerns.

1) CCP's policy on account investigation. Take the recording for instance. Based on what CCP falcon's quote at the top wouldn't the "Escrow agents" that participated in that particular bonus room fall under the same rule assuming that was the reason Ero got banned. Lets face it they are as guilty as Ero was in breaking that rule. Not to mention sohkar's reaction was a blatant violation of the harassment rule.

The question here is when the GM's investigate stuff like that are they only looking at ero because he was the one reported or do they look at the case as a whole and deal out account actions based on everyone's actions with the evidence presented before the GM handling the case. The next question you may not be able to answer due to NDA and you may not even be priveyed to, but has to be asked. If they do look at the case as a whole, Why wasn't everyone else actioned?

2) Was there some kind of fail safe put in the above quote to keep trolls from sending in stupid partitions like "I got ganked and they laughed at me, they kept laughing at me after I rage I feel harraseed" or "They made me sing to save my pod, they made fun of my singing and made me cry, BANZ PLZ" Because sadly this is where I see this going.

3) Kind of an extension to the above, but is there also a fail safe to prevent rules layering in extream cases such as in the following situation...

Someone gets on a TS server and is grilled for a half an hour being called "***", the "N-word", "worthless", "go slit your wrists", "your mother should have had an abortion" the whole 10 yards. But the victim doesn't react negatively or show signs of breaking and silently reports them after the incident. Is there a fail safe in that policy that prevents someone from saying I can't be banned he didn't rage and seemed okay with it . Sadly I see some idiots trying to play this card too...

So correct me if I'm wrong, but am I to assume that conducting bonus rooms are within the rules so long as we adhere to the policy that was quoted. Personally I have no problem with that and has gone on record in the threadnaught saying I believe ero did cross the line and I think everyone here believes that. I just think that people are more upset that A. The rules are not appearing to be applied across the board fairly (See point #1) B. The timing of events that led up to this. (See my posts across all the relevant threads :p) We would also like to see ripard post a statement too, but meh... you cant force someone to post if they don't want to.

By the way thanks for clarifying you opening posts in the threadnaught. They seemed to confuse the hell out of me and me living in the US its easy to blame corrupt politics, because every politician here is corrupt :P

Thanks for your time.

Now hang on - I was in BNI for awhile. I remember Matias cracking down on racial slurs and things of that nature (we should all know better anyway), but I also remember lots of gay porn being read aloud over comms. Not that there is anything wrong with that, just can't say how you would call it "clean comms." Of course, that was a year ago, maybe times have changed.

I also fail to see the connection between in-game heroism/villainy and clean comms. Minerbumping has the cleanest comms I have experienced - use of profanity in local is even considered a Code violation. Many noted pirate corps run family-friendly comms as well.

Of course, this is straying from the topic at hand.

Fair enough, but a warning or a short 3 day or 1 week ban, something? I do understand extenuating circumstances, but they aren't an excuse for breaking the rules. If this happened in RL and not over the internet do you think that a judge would buy he was provoked as a defense. By definition most if not all Death threats are provoked by definition. Doesn't make it any less a very serious breach of the rules. Both IRL, in game, or in coms.

I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.

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route rule 66. April 1st jokes and CCL.

If April 1st jokes involve threads being started on the forum, CCL reserves the right to lock them for any reason whatsoever.
The only exception is when the April 1st joke in question makes at least one member of the ISD CCL division online at that time laugh out loud. In that case the thread will only get locked if in violation with forum rules 1 to 34.

yay so glad we are still talking about this

I think CSMs should be held to the same standard as any other subscriber. Did Jester mention a fellow player by name and say negative things about him? Absolutely. His blog is, as has been pointed out here, a fan site, and those are the rules that apply.

The same rules apply to Miner Bumping and The Mittani and wherever else. Those sites also say negative things about other players. Isn't just about every article at Miner Bumping ridiculing someone or other and posting private communications for everyone to point at and laugh?

Jester's in a unique position, as a popular choice for CSM and a widely read blogger. Even when I'm taking a break from EVE, I still read his blog. When he saw something he felt was an abusive practice that many people were unaware of, he used his reach into the EVE community to make sure people knew about it. That's what you use a megaphone for, IMO.

I've heard it said that his actions brought the game into ill repute. In my opinion, it's kinda already there, if my coworkers' typical reactions to "Hey, come play EVE with us!" are anything to go by. What Jester has done is call attention to a practice that was so far out there that EVE's reputation would've been made even worse, and for good reason.

Some may disagree with his language, and even I think it was a bit strong. But I don't disagree with the end result.

I definitely don't see CSM misconduct on Jester's part.

I have not seen any information regarding any proper channels and probably won't since it's forbidden to discuss these things. Nor is it policy to discuss the csm internal communications with CCP. Unless you are blessed with information we don't have there is nothing to discuss. But since you can't confirm or deny any of it this whole post is moot.