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Why would anyone ever use Beams in PvP?

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Le Dei Opus
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-04-01 17:42:51 UTC
Tachyons notwithstanding.


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SFM Hobb3s
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-04-01 17:51:48 UTC
Aug Navy Issue with beams is pretty baller...
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-04-01 19:23:12 UTC
Absolution with beams is the new ABHAC (together with rail Proteus)
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#4 - 2014-04-01 22:06:00 UTC
In a fleet, having a beam Abso or Legion is great for those recons that want to decloak and think you can't hit them Twisted

No trolling please
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#5 - 2014-04-01 22:15:54 UTC
Yeah Beam Absos are extremely good in fleets with logi, they have excellent dps, projection, tank and can even fit some smartbombs for a firewall against drones.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#6 - 2014-04-02 12:53:31 UTC
Because they are good?
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
#7 - 2014-04-02 12:59:22 UTC
Because beam Coercers can never die. Fact.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#8 - 2014-04-02 13:09:49 UTC
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
Because beam Coercers can never die. Fact.


http://kb.snuffboxcorp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=91002

M8, I dispute your assertions.
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-04-03 06:49:12 UTC
Love my beam legion. Not many other ships that have an engagement range from 8km out to 90.

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RcTamiya Leontis
Magister Mortalis.
#10 - 2014-04-03 09:32:15 UTC
Some mentioned railproteus but didn't artylokis ? :O

However beams are useful and underestaminated, they outperform pulse with increasing fleetseizes and a more spread battlefield ( i know that there are situations etc etc but in general i'd say this is a fitting summary).
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-04-03 12:11:31 UTC
Because sniping combat was massively nerfed since probign became so easy and fast. Now beign able to fire from further than 150 km is not important anymore.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
RcTamiya Leontis
Magister Mortalis.
#12 - 2014-04-03 12:14:55 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Because sniping combat was massively nerfed since probign became so easy and fast. Now beign able to fire from further than 150 km is not important anymore.



Defensive bubbles, ever heard of them ?
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2014-04-04 21:49:03 UTC
Because people sometimes like having dps at range.. Same reason as people use most long range weapons

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#14 - 2014-04-04 23:05:26 UTC
Beam zael often n3t me final blow | top dmg dealer but prefer pulses.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2014-04-05 00:24:14 UTC
RcTamiya Leontis wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Because sniping combat was massively nerfed since probign became so easy and fast. Now beign able to fire from further than 150 km is not important anymore.



Defensive bubbles, ever heard of them ?


covops warpins, bombers and MJDs, ever heard of them?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#16 - 2014-04-05 02:42:08 UTC
Tachyon Beam Scorpions are cool looking.

Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.

I invented Tiericide
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
#17 - 2014-04-05 05:05:11 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
Because beam Coercers can never die. Fact.


http://kb.snuffboxcorp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=91002

M8, I dispute your assertions.


Doesn't link to any kill mail I can see. The defence rests.
Weed Guy
Space Kush Dispensary
#18 - 2014-04-06 06:30:31 UTC
haha hsoot a beam laser into ur butt haha lol bzzzz ---- @
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2014-04-06 14:25:07 UTC
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
Because beam Coercers can never die. Fact.


http://kb.snuffboxcorp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=91002

M8, I dispute your assertions.


Doesn't link to any kill mail I can see. The defence rests.


Copy it to your browser instead of clicking the link you scrub

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Tarmaniel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-04-06 20:16:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarmaniel
Why are you ruling out Tachyons? Railguns are pretty much strictly superior to beam lasers on both medium and large platforms. The Zealot is the only good platform to put beams on because there's no HAC rail platform with damage, damage, range bonuses.

Rail Astarte does more DPS at greater range with one less damage mod than a beam Absolution. Also, did you know the Astarte gets 2000 more base armor than the Absolution, as well as more shield and structure? If you fit the same tank to both ships, they have the same EHP despite the Absolution's armor resistance bonus.

Tachyon Apocalypse and Abaddon are just hilarious jokes compared to rail Mega and Hyperion.

Apocalypse needs a RCU and faction hardeners to fit 8 Tachyons, MWD, two plates, DCU, medium injector, tracking computer, and three hardeners. Megathron can fit a full rack of rails and the same tank with no fitting mods and nothing but T2 mods, then still put a damage mod and 0 CPU adaptive nano plating in the last two low slots. This lets it have 20% more EHP than the Apoc, and have the same range and 20% more DPS with Plutonium than the Apoc with multifrequency.

Hyperion completely wastes a bonus, but can still set up to have 10% more DPS in exchange for 10% less EHP at the same range than the Abaddon, and of course it doesn't need an injector just to run its guns.

TL;DR - Lasers suck something awful unless you're got Scorch M loaded.
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