Intergalactic Summit

Didn't seem to bother you before, nothing but a bunch of '**** fit frigates,' right?

As you did not understand what I was trying to say for 'most of my post', I will forgive you for missing the entire point of it and hyperfocusing on the very superficial obvious statements you made here. They are correct. They were not, however, the point I was making.

There are people who most certainly do understand what I was saying, however, and most, if not all of them, have been reading this dialogue, if not actively engaging in it.

As I have respect for you you based on things you have said over time, do not take this as an insult. It is possible that you are simply not informed enough on the entirety of what has been transpiring to make any sound judgement calls on the tip of this iceberg which has managed to breach the surface here on the Summit. This is not simply about people 'being upset'. That is only what you are able to see from what has been said here in public.

Rest assured that no offense is taken. However, if you can find the time and words to better explain the point you were trying to make, then please do so I can understand.

-Eran

Throw a stranger to the wolves to rescue a cousin, eh?

I think I understand why: If you value the lives and freedom of Caldari above those of anybody else (especially pirates), then the trade would seem reasonable (albeit callous).

Except... Nation are not trustworthy. I have known pretty much everybody in TS-F to tell direct lies about both Nation and their own corporation with a straight face and in the teeth of overwhelming facts. Kuvakei himself has zero regard for treaties and civilized agreements: He does only whatever is in his best interests, according to his own evaluation, without a second thought for integrity.

This is a model I have no doubt that Shaktipat Revelators duly imitate - after all, the Master sets the example, no? They may not have his power and ability to act with impunity and will thus be more cautious to preserve their appearance of reasonable integrity, but remember that everything they do, they do to advance the objectives of Nation, which let us not forget is an enemy of the very State you have sworn to defend.

So... what does Nation gain from swapping prisoners they already have, for other prisoners? It's just time, resources and effort spent shipping them about and delivering them to a rendezvous for trade, with all the associated cost and difficulty of prisoner transfer and security. Why not just chuck who they have in the vats and let you deal with the pirate crews yourself? What difference does it make to Nation if the crews are Caldari POWs or captured (alleged) pilots? A True Slave is a True Slave.

What, in other words, do THEY get out of the arrangement?

What guarantee do you have that the citizens you rescue haven't been through the vats already? We have recordings of live, on-air footage from a reporter who got an interview with Kuvakei himself only to be assimilated in minutes by a swarm of airborne nanites, the same technology being used in the YC112 "Upliftings" to march terrified human puppets into the holds of waiting transports.

What guarantee can you honestly make with the rigour required of a trained security specialist, that you have not delivered men and women back to their relieved families carrying the seed of a Sansha sleeper cell? There will be enough of them riddling our society as it is. Arrangements such as this are cracks in our armour, loopholes in our security.

And on what basis are you convicting the crews you hand over to the vats of piracy? You know full well that most capsuleer crew sign on for a tour and spend months hard at work with their head down, earning a fortune to retire on and getting the hell out as soon as they can. Most don't even know the name of their pilot, what system they're in, what they're doing, what corp they fly for. Many more are slaves. Merely being aboard a pirate's ship is not indicative of being guilty of piracy, or even of being aware that piracy was going on.

Finally: selling people into slavery is a crime against State and Region law which was established in the very first act of the CEP during the foundation of the State..

So to recap:

• Without due process you are convicting people of piracy (itself also illegal)


• You are committing a crime by sentencing them into slavery, and then...


• As payment you are claiming Caldari POWs who may or not have been compromised by mind-control technology.


• Which belongs to a technologically superior enemy of the State, and which you can't guarantee your ability to screen.


• This enemy having avowed that contracts are honoured only for as long as they remain in their best interest.


• Therefore, they only do this because they think Nation benefits more than by just assimilating the existing prisoners.

Doesn't anything about that strike you as suspicious? Your arrangement seems neither pragmatic nor honourable, it is in violation of CEP law and it is an avenue which exposes the State to further infiltration.

I would encourage the immediate termination of this policy.

Whoa, hold on there, Verin.

What treaty did Nation ever break? Historicallly, for both Nation and TS-F, we have abided by the terms of every agreement we have ever had.

It's been other people who decide that they want to break the agreements with us. In YC 37 it was the Amarr and the Caldari who had working agreements with us and then decided that it was okay to be pushed around by the Gallente into committing genocide. For TS-F, we have stuck by every agreement we have ever made until such time that a group (like yours) decided it was okay to break off the agreement.

You may disagree with what we do. You may disagree with how we do things. However, I will not sit here and listen to you tell two-faced lies about us.

I know your hatred of us is pretty much all consuming, but you're outright slandering yourself by letting it cloud your perception of reality this way.

The entire reason you have your band of miscreants consist of the general public rather than a consistent group is because you have a toxic personality and nobody can stand to be around you for any length of time.

Puffing your chest out toward Pieter in an attempt to get people to pay attention to you isn't going to make people like you either.

oh, I am Caldari, and I fly anything. Pieter how could you, etc.

That's what happens when you don't undock.

Cool story.



This. They live way too far away.

((Delete post, forum fecked up and deleted what I wrote, shall redo later.))

I have no idea what you're on about.

Verin of course misses the point entirely.

And Andreus foams at the mouth in a fantasy world devoid of interaction with reality.

Have I missed anything? Oh I would like to say, Anslo, I have to commend you on something. Unlike many people you are actually flying out and attempting to accomplish something. So good on you I suppose.