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Proposed game mechanic: Jails, fines and a court system

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#41 - 2014-03-30 14:28:58 UTC
Albrecht Patrouette wrote:


No? I --and others-- sure pay real life money to play. And if you buy PLEX and sell it to purchase items, then again they are being paid for with real-life money.


getting ganked does not stop u from playing...where are u trying to go with this?

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Liese Shardani
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2014-03-30 14:30:20 UTC
admiral root wrote:
If you want some kind of court system then it's only right that the Saviour of highsec adjudicate. In His infinite wisdom he could deputise his agents to hear cases and hand out appropriate punishments.
Oh, gods. The one thing I wouldn't want is a court system where people talk and talk and talk and... Shocked

I'd be like just kill me now.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#43 - 2014-03-30 14:33:28 UTC
Liese Shardani wrote:
admiral root wrote:
If you want some kind of court system then it's only right that the Saviour of highsec adjudicate. In His infinite wisdom he could deputise his agents to hear cases and hand out appropriate punishments.
Oh, gods. The one thing I wouldn't want is a court system where people talk and talk and talk and... Shocked

I'd be like just kill me now.


I don't think there'd be much talk. Mining without a permit? Guilty - sentenced to 30 days in jail, in the general population to force them to interact with other prisoners. :)

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#44 - 2014-03-30 14:37:41 UTC
Albrecht Patrouette wrote:

As compared to paying customers who constantly lose ships, equipment, ISK, etc., due to being ganked over and over again?


Some of those paying customers end up learning how game mechanics work and actually outsmart their gankers, evade them, destroy them - and in the process story lines are created, friends are made and lost, enemies are made, internet spaceships explode, and for the select few who bother to take the time to understand the game - many laughs are had.

Some of these customers simply cry and give up. This is a good thing. In the words of a well known Eve dev. HTFU.

I like to expand on that with my version. HTFU or GTFO.

Welcome to Eve Online. Enjoy the sandbox (but remember, it does have edges).
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#45 - 2014-03-30 14:39:57 UTC
admiral root wrote:

I don't think there'd be much talk. Mining without a permit? Guilty - sentenced to 30 days in jail, in the general population to force them to interact with other prisoners. :)


I endorse this idea. Mining without a permit? 30 days in space jail. Bot aspirant behavior? 90 days in space jail. Insisting on playing EVE while AFK and then crying when things go poorly? 1 year in space jail.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#46 - 2014-03-30 14:41:50 UTC
admiral root wrote:

I don't think there'd be much talk. Mining without a permit? Guilty - sentenced to 30 days in jail, in the general population to force them to interact with other prisoners. :)


Lol

rogue miners in the same jail as gankers, and they all have criminal status.

instead of the incarna-brawling in stations, incarna-brawling in jail instead. oh the tears of joy.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#47 - 2014-03-30 14:44:03 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
rogue miners in the same jail as gankers, and they all have criminal status.


LMFAO!

I was thinking more along the lines of no jail time for gankers in the interests of justice. Twisted

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Liese Shardani
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2014-03-30 14:44:35 UTC
I'd be okay with, uhh, non-standard versions of the law being enforced in systems where the *cough* savior actually has sov. You run the place, you make the rules. I think some very amusing legal codes could be developed and enforced in Null.

In high sec, that's CONCORD territory.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#49 - 2014-03-30 14:45:53 UTC
Liese Shardani wrote:
I'd be okay with, uhh, non-standard versions of the law being enforced in systems where the *cough* savior actually has sov. You run the place, you make the rules. I think some very amusing legal codes could be developed and enforced in Null.

In high sec, that's CONCORD territory.


Any system is yours if you can provide the firepower to back up your claim, regardless of sec status.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#50 - 2014-03-30 14:50:45 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:

rogue miners in the same jail as gankers, and they all have criminal status.

instead of the incarna-brawling in stations, incarna-brawling in jail instead. oh the tears of joy.


I MUST PLAY THIS GAME NOW.

CCP - DO THIS. Just think about it.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#51 - 2014-03-30 14:56:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
admiral root wrote:


Any system is yours if you can provide the firepower to back up your claim, regardless of sec status.


confirming, this is how ownership works in eve.

DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
CCP - DO THIS. Just think about it.


either smackdown style or the batman arkham series will be just fine for me.

with a slight preference to smackdown. theres just a feeling u get when u hit someone with a chair or slam them through a table.


edit- also will those in jail be able to get conjugal visits with one or a few of their space companions

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#52 - 2014-03-30 14:56:34 UTC  |  Edited by: DJentropy Ovaert
Liese Shardani wrote:
I'd be okay with, uhh, non-standard versions of the law being enforced in systems where the *cough* savior actually has sov. You run the place, you make the rules. I think some very amusing legal codes could be developed and enforced in Null.

In high sec, that's CONCORD territory.


Funny. It seems that CONCORD must hate the AFK miner that can't be troubled to fit a tank - they just keep exploding, and the space police can't save them.

It's almost like the developers of Eve have created a system to nudge players into learning that there is no such thing as "safety" when undocked, and that remaining at keyboard, selecting a ship and fitting that are a smart choice depending on the nature of their current operation and system security status is a skill that should be learned.

You can lead the carebear to water, you can ask him to drink, you can blow up the horse that he used to get to the water a dozen times, but sometimes you just can't make him drink.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#53 - 2014-03-30 14:58:19 UTC
admiral root wrote:


Any system is yours if you can provide the firepower to back up your claim, regardless of sec status.


Could not have said it better myself.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2014-03-30 17:33:57 UTC
Liese Shardani wrote:
Claud Tiberius wrote:
A jail system sounds awesome. Especially if each race has its own jail, and players can bust out their friends/other players while at the same time, battling off NPC guards.
I love the idea of space jail. I don't think a person who's jailed would be in the same status as temp-banned -- that's more of an OOC player conduct thing. If your alt is in space-prison, s/he can still log in, but s/he can't buy stuff, fly around, make contracts, etc.

Maybe you could chat in Local, wherever the jail is, but you'd have an icon to show that you're in jail? Or maybe there'd be restrictions on Local chat, as well.

Having jail vary from region to region (and from high sec to low to null) would be interesting, and the idea of organized jail-breaks has a lot of potential, I think. I could see EVE News featuring sieges on jails to free prominent prisoners.

I foresee much hilarity and would love to see this implemented.



As James 315 is the elected ruler of highsec then any jail should be for non code compliant miners , people hauling too much isk value in t1 haulers and afk missioners.
Also in the spirit of pay it forward it should also house people who make poor game breaking suggestions on the forums.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Mag's
Azn Empire
#55 - 2014-03-30 17:53:34 UTC
Your idea boils down to this:
I don't like your play style, therefore you should get temporary bans when playing.

The answer will always be No Thanks.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#56 - 2014-03-30 20:45:24 UTC
Its a funny idea, but i cant think of a single solution how to implent such a feature in Eve in a meaningful way.

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Liese Shardani
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2014-03-30 20:51:13 UTC
Lephia DeGrande wrote:
Its a funny idea, but i cant think of a single solution how to implent such a feature in Eve in a meaningful way.
Yeah, you'd need new prison structures, I'm guessing, and logic attached to the preexisting criminal system to sort out who goes where and when. And that's just for starters.

I like the idea of there being more consequences for actions and also more opportunities for people to stir things up.
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