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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Salvos Rhoska
#1661 - 2014-03-30 12:57:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Gerald Mardiska wrote:
my point is the "victim" chose to do this when he should have known it was a scam. its his fault.

The perpetrators chose to do this despite there being no further profit in it. That is their fault.
The scam was completed at the point that they had all his assets. Everything after that is superfluous to that fact.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1662 - 2014-03-30 12:57:58 UTC
Gerald Mardiska wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Gerald Mardiska wrote:
therefore he choose to give erotica1 his isk and assets in game

The Bonus Room only begins after the victim has given over all his assets.
This was never about anyone giving him their assets, its about what was done after that.


my point is the "victim" chose to do this when he should have known it was a scam. its his fault.


No, no you're all wrong. Personal responsibility is not allowed. You should be happy that a CSM came down from the mountain with his 10 commandments and will deliver you from evil.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#1663 - 2014-03-30 13:00:02 UTC
Gerald Mardiska wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Gerald Mardiska wrote:
therefore he choose to give erotica1 his isk and assets in game

The Bonus Room only begins after the victim has given over all his assets.
This was never about anyone giving him their assets, its about what was done after that.


my point is the "victim" chose to do this when he should have known it was a scam. its his fault.


Exactly,

Personal responsibility for your own actions is a big part of the game and a big part of real life too. No one forced Sokhar into the bonus room, no one held a gun to his head, he could have left at any time to avoid further losses. He was motivated by greed for the next big chunk of Isk and is personally responsible for his actions in the bonus room, just like Erotica and his cohorts are personally responsible for their actions.

The only difference between the two is that Erotica has been punished and Sokhar has not.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1664 - 2014-03-30 13:01:15 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Gerald Mardiska wrote:
my point is the "victim" chose to do this when he should have known it was a scam. its his fault.

The perpetrators chose to do this despite there being no further profit in it. That is their fault.
The scam was completed at the point that they had all his assets. Everything after that is superfluous to that fact.


Falcon's clarfication stated that they should have stopped just after he went mental, not before he entered the Boners Room

Just sayin'

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#1665 - 2014-03-30 13:07:44 UTC
The horse being beaten does not even have a skeleton anymore.

Geez........

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1666 - 2014-03-30 13:11:46 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
The horse being beaten does not even have a skeleton anymore.

Geez........


I think someone placed the horse on a sizable rock of Crokite and announced it in the mining thread

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Gerald Mardiska
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1667 - 2014-03-30 13:13:07 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Gerald Mardiska wrote:
my point is the "victim" chose to do this when he should have known it was a scam. its his fault.

The perpetrators chose to do this despite there being no further profit in it. That is their fault.
The scam was completed at the point that they had all his assets. Everything after that is superfluous to that fact.


Falcon's clarfication stated that they should have stopped just after he went mental, not before he entered the Boners Room

Just sayin'


granted they should have stopped before he went mental, but clearly that wasnt there plan. if im correct they wanted to break him emotionally. is it wrong... yes it was unnecessary. but the "victim" is still at fault because he chose to participate in the scam and got scammed.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#1668 - 2014-03-30 13:18:50 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
...

Personal responsibility for your own actions is a big part of the game and a big part of real life too....
The only difference between the two is that Erotica has been punished and Sokhar has not.


Personal responsibility is for poor and weak people, anyone with any real wisdom knows that the rich and powerful avoid personal responsibility easily.
There are more differences between Ero1 and Sokhar than that one was punished and one was not. Way more.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1669 - 2014-03-30 13:19:55 UTC
Gerald Mardiska wrote:

granted they should have stopped before he went mental, but clearly that wasnt there plan. if im correct they wanted to break him emotionally.


Did they? Was there any proof of this?

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1670 - 2014-03-30 13:20:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Gerald Mardiska wrote:


granted they should have stopped before he went mental, but clearly that wasnt there plan. if im correct they wanted to break him emotionally. is it wrong... yes it was unnecessary. but the "victim" is still at fault because he chose to participate in the scam and got scammed.


Agreed, but Falcon's statement doesnt say that. It says they shouldnt have continued after the mark went mental because CCP doesnt expect anyone to be responsible for when someone else chooses to lose their temper, but they are responsible for their actions AFTER the mark loses his temper and should have stopped there.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1671 - 2014-03-30 13:28:54 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Agreed, but Falcon's statement doesnt say that. It says they shouldnt have continued after the mark went mental because CCP doesnt expect anyone to be responsible for when someone else chooses to lose their temper, but they are responsible for their actions AFTER the mark loses his temper and should have stopped there.


Bit like saying give someone lots of drugs, its all good and fun, but if you see him overdose then stop. Isn't it.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1672 - 2014-03-30 13:30:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Sentamon wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Agreed, but Falcon's statement doesnt say that. It says they shouldnt have continued after the mark went mental because CCP doesnt expect anyone to be responsible for when someone else chooses to lose their temper, but they are responsible for their actions AFTER the mark loses his temper and should have stopped there.


Bit like saying give someone lots of drugs, its all good and fun, but if you see him overdose then stop. Isn't it.


Its more like give someone a beating for being a ******* idiot, but stop before you actually kill them so you dont go to the chair.

But I like yours too and really must try that sometime.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Salvos Rhoska
#1673 - 2014-03-30 14:00:06 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Gerald Mardiska wrote:

granted they should have stopped before he went mental, but clearly that wasnt there plan. if im correct they wanted to break him emotionally.


Did they? Was there any proof of this?


Proof is in the fact, that that is how the perpetrators win the Bonus Room.
If they can force the victim to leave, the perpetrators win.
This is accomplished by subjecting the victim to arbitrary demands until, sooner or later, he either explodes in anger, or leaves.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1674 - 2014-03-30 14:02:08 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

Proof is in the fact, that that is how the perpetrators win the Bonus Room.
If they can force the victim to leave, the perpetrators win.
This is accomplished by subjecting the victim to arbitrary demands until, sooner or later, he either explodes in anger, or leaves.


So were they trying to make him leave, or trying to provoke a response?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Salvos Rhoska
#1675 - 2014-03-30 14:04:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

Proof is in the fact, that that is how the perpetrators win the Bonus Room.
If they can force the victim to leave, the perpetrators win.
This is accomplished by subjecting the victim to arbitrary demands until, sooner or later, he either explodes in anger, or leaves.


So were they trying to make him leave, or trying to provoke a response?



An angry response also disqualifies them from winning according to their "rules". That too is sufficient.
And again, the mechanism to cause that, is subjecting the victim to abitrary demands, ad nauseum.
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#1676 - 2014-03-30 14:04:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodmyst Ranwar
It's interesting how the only people posting atm is the Erotica alts and fan boys. Maybe with the odd person chiming in having their say.

Guys, get over it. Erotica harassed, bullied, tortured someone (pick your word/flavour) and he was dealt with.

Time to move on........

P.S - I don't mind the whole miner ganking thing and their tears, but after all this I must say scammer tears are by far the most sweetest tears....
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1677 - 2014-03-30 14:08:29 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


An angry response also disqualifies them from winning according to their "rules". That too is sufficient.
And again, the mechanism to cause that, is subjecting the victim to abitrary demands, ad nauseum.



Ok so either or both, thats fine, I agree

But by the rules as spelt out by Falcon, leaving wil lnot cause a ban, only continuing to engage the mark after the mark has lost his mind (not including asking to have his isk doubled in the first place)

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Salvos Rhoska
#1678 - 2014-03-30 14:13:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ok so either or both, thats fine, I agree

But by the rules as spelt out by Falcon, leaving wil lnot cause a ban, only continuing to engage the mark after the mark has lost his mind (not including asking to have his isk doubled in the first place)


To my reading of this and associated threads, that is just an interpretation of what CCP Falcon has said, by someone, that has then been repeated by others.

Chinese telephone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers

He hasn't to my reading, actually said that.

If he has, I'd appreciate a link to where.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1679 - 2014-03-30 14:24:42 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


He hasn't to my reading, actually said that.

If he has, I'd appreciate a link to where.


Bolded and iltalicised for clarity

"However, there's a line as to how severe those circumstances should get, and I'll paraphrase Mynxee by saying that this line needs to be drawn at the point where the alleged victim starts to lose emotional control. We can't set an arbirarty line for this, as this is different for everyone, and every situation. There must be a willingness by those involved to recognise when that point has been reached and realize, with positive community spirit in mind, that they should stop and honor that line with humaine and decent behaviour."

- CCP Falcon, post 378 in thread "CSM FEED BACK TO CCP"

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Salvos Rhoska
#1680 - 2014-03-30 14:26:30 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


He hasn't to my reading, actually said that.

If he has, I'd appreciate a link to where.


Bolded and iltalicised for clarity

"However, there's a line as to how severe those circumstances should get, and I'll paraphrase Mynxee by saying that this line needs to be drawn at the point where the alleged victim starts to lose emotional control. We can't set an arbirarty line for this, as this is different for everyone, and every situation. There must be a willingness by those involved to recognise when that point has been reached and realize, with positive community spirit in mind, that they should stop and honor that line with humaine and decent behaviour."

- CCP Falcon, post 378 in thread "CSM FEED BACK TO CCP"


Ok. Thanks for the original wording.