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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1621 - 2014-03-30 05:18:08 UTC
Onyx Nyx wrote:
I have been told truly terrible things in local whenever I have been flying a falcon or something else that attracts rage. The unkind words directed at me has caused me great distress, tears, nightmares, sleep deprivation and even thoughts of suicide.

With this official statement from CCP, can I fully expect CCP to punish these evildoers? Because I am about to go test that in practice by ganking some miner and see much they care about the rules of society afterwards.


Well you might get banned for stupidity because look at your sig. Whining like a ***** when you have that sig just puts you first in line at the ban wagon.

Mr Epeen Cool
Tweek Etimua
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1622 - 2014-03-30 05:31:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tweek Etimua
Asia Leigh wrote:
Jayem See wrote:
Danalee wrote:
I'll try again:

We all know shadoo's outburst.
He humiliated a player and called him among other things a ******.
IF at that time a CSM would have had an axe to grind and blogged about it you can bet your bottom dollar he'd have no problems finding a couple dozen forum trolls to start a threadnaught.
What I know now from what is happened is that CCP would have banned him. Rightly so, the video even has ingame footage, no doubt it happened in EVE online, not on some teamspeak server where they have no control over.

Or do you think they wouldn't have?

D.

Bear


Straws. You are grasping at.


Grasping at what straws? Was that guy banned or not? And if not why?


Lol oh no Shadoo was not banned. In fact for the most people realy like shadoo and thought the outburst was hilariouse. You should watch the link.

And it's not grasping at straws to state an actual relevant scenario. Was what Shadoo did considered harasment, sure. In as much as the Mittanis coment at fanfest, wich had pretty big consequeces. The problem currently is lack of consistency.
Either take harrasment seriouse and give equal treatment across the board or don't there is no middle ground here.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#1623 - 2014-03-30 05:36:29 UTC
Oh this thread is still a thing. That's too bad.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1624 - 2014-03-30 06:02:26 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Onyx Nyx wrote:
I have been told truly terrible things in local whenever I have been flying a falcon or something else that attracts rage. The unkind words directed at me has caused me great distress, tears, nightmares, sleep deprivation and even thoughts of suicide.

With this official statement from CCP, can I fully expect CCP to punish these evildoers? Because I am about to go test that in practice by ganking some miner and see much they care about the rules of society afterwards.


Well you might get banned for stupidity because look at your sig. Whining like a ***** when you have that sig just puts you first in line at the ban wagon.

Mr Epeen Cool


You used to be cool, man. What happened?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Onyx Nyx
The Veldspar Protectorate
#1625 - 2014-03-30 06:03:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Onyx Nyx
Mr Epeen wrote:
Onyx Nyx wrote:
I have been told truly terrible things in local whenever I have been flying a falcon or something else that attracts rage. The unkind words directed at me has caused me great distress, tears, nightmares, sleep deprivation and even thoughts of suicide.

With this official statement from CCP, can I fully expect CCP to punish these evildoers? Because I am about to go test that in practice by ganking some miner and see much they care about the rules of society afterwards.


Well you might get banned for stupidity because look at your sig. Whining like a ***** when you have that sig just puts you first in line at the ban wagon.

Mr Epeen Cool


Good point! Fixed it and it is from a song, and is about a character in the LFG web comic.

Link for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbazH6aE2g

I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more.

  • Richard (http://www.lfgcomic.com/)
Onyx Nyx
The Veldspar Protectorate
#1626 - 2014-03-30 06:07:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Onyx Nyx
double post... hotel wifi \o/

I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more.

  • Richard (http://www.lfgcomic.com/)
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#1627 - 2014-03-30 06:30:37 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Although CCP clarified their stance on this, the only place that I've actually seen mention that Erotica 1 was banned was on Minerbumping. (If I am missing any additional published info then point me to it please) And there, they said they were informed by Erotica 1. :P

April 1st is coming soon, as mentioned elsewhere.

I am also assuming that Erotica 2 is not the same individual.

Please note that I have no preferences in this entire situation towards either side of the argument, and am only really following it because its far better than any of the crap on TV now days. Quite curious to see how it all pans out at this point.
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1628 - 2014-03-30 06:50:41 UTC
I'd be interested to know if E1 was ever warned about his activities before being banned.

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#1629 - 2014-03-30 06:52:25 UTC
Tor Norman wrote:
I'd be interested to know if E1 was ever warned about his activities before being banned.


If he was in fact banned, I also was wondering about that part.
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1630 - 2014-03-30 06:59:00 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:
I'd be interested to know if E1 was ever warned about his activities before being banned.


If he was in fact banned, I also was wondering about that part.

Would be quite funny if E1 wasn't and was just trolling us.

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1631 - 2014-03-30 07:24:33 UTC
Onyx Nyx wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Onyx Nyx wrote:
I have been told truly terrible things in local whenever I have been flying a falcon or something else that attracts rage. The unkind words directed at me has caused me great distress, tears, nightmares, sleep deprivation and even thoughts of suicide.

With this official statement from CCP, can I fully expect CCP to punish these evildoers? Because I am about to go test that in practice by ganking some miner and see much they care about the rules of society afterwards.


Well you might get banned for stupidity because look at your sig. Whining like a ***** when you have that sig just puts you first in line at the ban wagon.

Mr Epeen Cool


Good point! Fixed it and it is from a song, and is about a character in the LFG web comic.

Link for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbazH6aE2g



Richard rules!

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1632 - 2014-03-30 08:10:39 UTC
Bael Malefic wrote:
Liese Shardani wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:
Seemed to work well for him.
I'd like to convince more of my coworkers and friends to try EVE, but if I had to answer the question of "Well, what do you DO in EVE?" with tales of begging in Jita and luring people to the glorious Bonus Round, not only would they not want to try the game but they'd also think I was not someone they want to be around.

I continue to be amazed that anyone's willing to defend the practice.


There are plenty of basement dwelling social misfits and closet sociopaths who will defend it.


Life is filled with all kinds of people, some bad and some good. So do you stay in your house all day afraid to go outside? Eve is more simulation than game and a reflection of what would happen if you put people in the environment that pod pilots are in. Think "Lord of the Flys".

Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate...
Goa Chai
Doomheim
#1633 - 2014-03-30 08:27:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Goa Chai
Dorn Val wrote:
Life is filled with all kinds of people, some bad and some good. So do you stay in your house all day afraid to go outside? Eve is more simulation than game and a reflection of what would happen if you put people in the environment that pod pilots are in. Think "Lord of the Flys".


So.... who wants to be Piggy? Twisted
Salvos Rhoska
#1634 - 2014-03-30 08:27:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
This is what I mean when i say that you get to see the real person when they lose their temper, you see the ugly side of them that they normally hide in everyday life. It might be ugly but it's still a side of them.


Then everything you are saying now does not represent your real view, or you, because you are not saying it in a state of having lost your temper.

Or, are you mad right now?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1635 - 2014-03-30 08:34:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Dorn Val
Goa Chai wrote:
Dorn Val wrote:
Life is filled with all kinds of people, some bad and some good. So do you stay in your house all day afraid to go outside? Eve is more simulation than game and a reflection of what would happen if you put people in the environment that pod pilots are in. Think "Lord of the Flys".


So.... who wants to be PIggy? Twisted


Piggy saw the world not as it was but how he wanted it to be, so I'd guess that most of the high sec Care Bears could play the part...

Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate...
Salvos Rhoska
#1636 - 2014-03-30 08:35:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Tor Norman wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:
I'd be interested to know if E1 was ever warned about his activities before being banned.


If he was in fact banned, I also was wondering about that part.

Would be quite funny if E1 wasn't and was just trolling us.


Its entirely possible. And if I was Erotica1, that is what I would have done.
Faked my own banning, because I know CCP will not evidence it either way.

Hes already facilitated transfer of his assets to associates (including a substantial amount to TNO), and is on record as having said he has 50 alts on 23 accounts, iirc.

Nor do I have an issue with anynof the above. For all intents as long as the entity that was/is Erotica1 no longer operates in the game, and this statement in OP was made by CCP, the result is the same whether he was banned or not.

If he re-enters the game on an alias, that is not my problem.

Dorn Val wrote:
Piggy saw the world not as it was but how he wanted it to be, so I'd guess that most of the high sec Care Bears could play the part...


Everyone on the island saw the world as how they wanted it to be. Piggy's broken glasses as a metaphor to what happens to idealism against the forces of imminent reality ie: his idealism was "broken" by his environment. Nonetheless, the little dystopia they built for themselves was not a "natural" state, it was just an extension of juvenile fantasy, made real.

And all of that turned out to be arbitrary the second the wider world (and its context) stepped back into the picture, when adults arrive at last to rescue them.

Ian Banks' "The Wasp Factory" runs a similar analogy, to the same conclusion.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#1637 - 2014-03-30 09:15:28 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
I do partly agree, but when a person loses their temper they lose their inhibitions too revealing the real them


False.

When someone, anyone, loses their temper, they behave in a manner that is not the "real" them.

Or are you trying to claim that everyone who is not in a state of losing their temper, is not the real them?

DERP!

Are you not real until you are angry?


When people are calm and collected they exhibit more self control and behave in socially acceptable ways, when they lose that self control and rage out that's the point at which everything they say is true or designed to intimidate or coerce. The fact that someone uses racist language in temper in an attempt to coerce the other persons into capitulating to their demands proves that they are racist and hold racist views, otherwise they wouldn't use them.

This is what I mean when i say that you get to see the real person when they lose their temper, you see the ugly side of them that they normally hide in everyday life. It might be ugly but it's still a side of them.


When I lose it I might smash your head into the ground until you need to be hospitalized, but I would never use a racial or sexist slur while I was doing it.

Strange but true.

We are a really ****** up species.

Mr Epeen Cool


agreed, but you are clearly not racist, and as such, fun to be with.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#1638 - 2014-03-30 09:15:38 UTC
Asia Leigh wrote:
Jayem See wrote:
Danalee wrote:
I'll try again:

We all know shadoo's outburst.
He humiliated a player and called him among other things a ******.
IF at that time a CSM would have had an axe to grind and blogged about it you can bet your bottom dollar he'd have no problems finding a couple dozen forum trolls to start a threadnaught.
What I know now from what is happened is that CCP would have banned him. Rightly so, the video even has ingame footage, no doubt it happened in EVE online, not on some teamspeak server where they have no control over.

Or do you think they wouldn't have?


Straws. You are grasping at.


Grasping at what straws? Was that guy banned or not? And if not why?


I'm pretty sure I saw him commentating on an official EVE tournament.
That's what they do with everyone who calls people ******** ingame.
Oh wait.

D.

Bear

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1639 - 2014-03-30 09:21:59 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:


agreed, but you are clearly not racist, and as such, fun to be with.


This just made me think of Mr Epeen as a Sirius Cybernetics Corporation android

"Your non-racist friend whose fun to be with!"

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#1640 - 2014-03-30 09:23:16 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
This is what I mean when i say that you get to see the real person when they lose their temper, you see the ugly side of them that they normally hide in everyday life. It might be ugly but it's still a side of them.


Then everything you are saying now does not represent your real view, or you, because you are not saying it in a state of having lost your temper.

Or, are you mad right now?


We're getting into philosophical musings now friend, read my posts that's not what I am saying at all.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...