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Kal'Panda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-03-28 20:56:38 UTC
The Retriever is a fine ship for mining but it lacks one thing a way to mount a Roid scanner, since most Retrievers use a shield extender in the mid slot. I would like to suggest that an additional mid slot be added or traded for a low slot so that a roid scanner can be carried without losing the shield.

Also I wonder why indies have a longer lock range than mining barges and exhumers...
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#2 - 2014-03-28 21:38:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Last Wolf
Indies can fit guns.

Edit : gun.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-03-28 21:43:44 UTC
you could fit the scanner instead of the extender.

I should buy an Ishtar.
WaterMarks
The Keywork
#4 - 2014-03-28 23:19:47 UTC
I use scanner instead of extender. As lomg as you pay attention ull be fine

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Kal'Panda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-03-29 13:30:34 UTC
Ok the Indy with guns, makes sense. Sort of an armed tramp freighter.... Shocked

And yes I do replace the extender with a scanner. But why? The Venture has room for a scanner and shields, the Mack the same so why doesn't the Retriever. It seem like a step backward, since the scanner is a major tool for anyone using strip miners.

I really don't expect a change to happen but, one can always hope... Smile
Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-03-29 13:40:56 UTC
Kal'Panda wrote:
The Venture has room for a scanner and shields, the Mack the same so why doesn't the Retriever. It seem like a step backward


You know a Mack is literally just a higher-tech version of the retriever right? It is created using a retriever blueprint. So the retriever having one mid and the Mackinaw having more makes perfect sense. The Mack is a more advanced mining ship and has room for extra tools like the scanner.

This is a step forwards, not a step backwards.
Kal'Panda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-03-29 15:28:41 UTC
Laiannah Sahireen wrote:
Kal'Panda wrote:
The Venture has room for a scanner and shields, the Mack the same so why doesn't the Retriever. It seem like a step backward


You know a Mack is literally just a higher-tech version of the retriever right? It is created using a retriever blueprint. So the retriever having one mid and the Mackinaw having more makes perfect sense. The Mack is a more advanced mining ship and has room for extra tools like the scanner.

This is a step forwards, not a step backwards.


Yep, the Retriever has only one (1) mid slot the Mack bumps it up to four (4). The Retriever has four (4) lows and the Mack only three (3). I'm thinking that a Retriever with two (2) mid slots and three (3) lows would make a better step up from a Venture without making the Mack any less valuable (it is the Best solo Exhumer for ore). Of course this may make the Retriever more valuable so the price may change making it take longer for a new player to get into one.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-03-29 18:25:23 UTC
Kal'Panda wrote:
Laiannah Sahireen wrote:
Kal'Panda wrote:
The Venture has room for a scanner and shields, the Mack the same so why doesn't the Retriever. It seem like a step backward


You know a Mack is literally just a higher-tech version of the retriever right? It is created using a retriever blueprint. So the retriever having one mid and the Mackinaw having more makes perfect sense. The Mack is a more advanced mining ship and has room for extra tools like the scanner.

This is a step forwards, not a step backwards.


Yep, the Retriever has only one (1) mid slot the Mack bumps it up to four (4). The Retriever has four (4) lows and the Mack only three (3). I'm thinking that a Retriever with two (2) mid slots and three (3) lows would make a better step up from a Venture without making the Mack any less valuable (it is the Best solo Exhumer for ore). Of course this may make the Retriever more valuable so the price may change making it take longer for a new player to get into one.


just armor tank the ret it works
Kal'Panda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-03-29 19:03:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kal'Panda
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
just armor tank the ret it works



That would work, but the down side of armor tanking is you start to cut into the Mining Laser Upgrades low slots.

One thing to keep in mind is the Retriever doesn't have that great of a PG. The cheapest way to upgrade the low PG is to use one of the low slots for an Aux Power control. The more expensive way is to use Rigs... Of course an armor tank doesn't use much power.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#10 - 2014-03-29 20:43:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
btw, an invul is a better choice than an extender. Having said that, you can use a survey scanner if you like. Go for a setup like this:

[Retriever, scc]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


If you want both tank and a scanner, go for a Procurer.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-03-29 23:22:51 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
If you want both tank and a scanner, go for a Procurer.


Pretty much this.

In case you weren't around for the barge rebalance, I would highly suggest you find the devblog and read it. It explains how they re-worked the barges and why.
Dave Stark
#12 - 2014-03-30 07:16:15 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
just armor tank the ret it works

or since it pays for itself in like, an hour or two... just don't bother tanking it at all.
isk tank, best tank.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-03-30 11:58:39 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
just armor tank the ret it works

or since it pays for itself in like, an hour or two... just don't bother tanking it at all.
isk tank, best tank.

thats how i did run normaly, but its also nice to see suiciders blow up on your tank :P (not mining anymore)
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-03-30 12:29:46 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
just armor tank the ret it works

or since it pays for itself in like, an hour or two... just don't bother tanking it at all.
isk tank, best tank.


permit tank best tank.

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-03-31 02:22:24 UTC
lol

Setup your overview to show specific ores.

You do know that you can have 5 tabs in the Overview? Right? You do know that?

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Kal'Panda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-04-01 13:31:06 UTC
My suggestion of giving the Retriever a second mid slot (for a scanner) would enhance its autonomy purpose without changing it mining capacity.
This would allow more efficient mining by being able to know when to short cycle the strip miners.
If one cycle (3 min.) of a strip miner yields 5,000 units of ore and the roid you are mining only contains 1,250 units you can stop your strip miner at ¼ cycle (45 sec) complete and start on a new roid, thus saving time.
But without the scanner you don’t know how much of the riod is remaining.
And yes this would give you a shield tank (just as the rebalance intended) and a scanner.

From the dev log:

• The Covetor and Hulk cater to group mining operations due to their large mining capability, low EHP and storage, forcing them to rely on others to haul and resupply them with mining crystals.
• The Retriever and Mackinaw are specifically designed for autonomy purposes, as their large ore bays allow their pilot to stay inside an asteroid belt for longer without having to dock.
• The Procurer and Skiff are made for protection against suicide gank, or NPCs, by giving a large enough buffer to react to incoming attacks, while paying for that with a lower mining yield.

All the barges are getting their tanks adjusted to favor shields rather than structure hit points.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-04-01 19:36:46 UTC
Kal'Panda wrote:
That would work, but the down side of armor tanking is you start to cut into the Mining Laser Upgrades low slots.
You don't want to armor tank because you'd lose a MLU, but you do want to transform a low into a mid-slot? What?

EVE is about making choices, so having to make the choice between the survey scanner and the shield tank is good.

And as others said, if you really care about tank, fly a Procurer. A Retty is best fit for maximum yield. Pay attention to local & dscan and just save the profit from the higher yield to replace it when it goes boom.
Oraac Ensor
#18 - 2014-04-01 21:36:20 UTC
The bottom line is that EVE is all about making choices and this situation is exactly that.

Kal'Panda wrote:
Yep, the Retriever has only one (1) mid slot the Mack bumps it up to four (4). The Retriever has four (4) lows and the Mack only three (3). I'm thinking that a Retriever with two (2) mid slots and three (3) lows would make a better step up from a Venture without making the Mack any less valuable (it is the Best solo Exhumer for ore). Of course this may make the Retriever more valuable so the price may change making it take longer for a new player to get into one.
WTB: Retriever with four low slots.

Caleidascope wrote:
lol

Setup your overview to show specific ores.

You do know that you can have 5 tabs in the Overview? Right? You do know that?
Seven years in game and you don't know what a survey scanner is used for?
Kal'Panda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-04-03 12:25:22 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:


WTB: Retriever with four low slots.



OOPS my bad it should be three (3) slots

The Retriever is the best solo T1 miner, I just feel that it should be just a tad more efficient without making it compete with the Mack. The ability to have the shield tank and to add a scanner, does make it more efficient even if you lose a low slot. The main limiting factor on the Retriever is it's PG and CPU, once you get these skill high you might as well move on the Mack. So I don't see a change like this as being a game changer.
Anyway those are my thoughts, take them, leave them, or throw up on them. Lol
Muffet McStrudel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-04-03 13:59:39 UTC
Just train for a Covetor or keep training and get in a Procurer or Mackinaw.
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