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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#1401 - 2014-03-29 17:22:37 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
...but I'd expect more than sensationalist, irresponsible ranting and raving from someone who is supposed to understand and represent the community to CCP...

...That more people agree with him than not is a fallacy...


Really?

I'm inclined to disagree, considering the vocal majority of petulant children that have come out in support of his little rant, to the point that CCP ultimately caved to them.

I'd say that Ripard is representing his chosen fan base rather appropriately, regardless of what some of us might think about this whole situation.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1402 - 2014-03-29 17:25:50 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


Rekt.

Leave as you said you would, while you have even a single shred of dignity or credibility left.


Whelp, I asked you a question.

What's the alternative explanation?

Also, I said I'm leaving EVE, yes, and I won't be logging in again. Never said anything about the forums.
Actually, if you read back in this very thread, Malcanis quite heavily implies that your deductions is entirely correct. It's pretty much the closest to an outright statement of the case without breaching the NDA.

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Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1403 - 2014-03-29 17:26:28 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
What I find most vile in all of this is Ripard Tegs underhanded approach to it all.

If you don't like Erotica1 and what she did, fair enough. But to abuse his privileged position to push for an individual user to be banned, and then to write a highly inflammatory piece - one which resorts to hysterics and evocations of literal torture - and spreading it around news media when CCP didn't agree with him... that's just revolting on so many levels.

ban ripard teg


This ^

If he runs for CSM I will support anyone who runs against him.

Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate...
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#1404 - 2014-03-29 17:28:38 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Also, I said I'm leaving EVE, yes, and I won't be logging in again. Never said anything about the forums.

The drama llama lives.

Guys, I am taking a stand. I am going to quit this game unless my demands are met. But I will hang around the forums because even though I quit the game, I still want to talk about it all the time.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1405 - 2014-03-29 17:29:46 UTC
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Dorn Val wrote:


Actually I have done that and I reached the conclusions that have driven my posts. I still do not agree with how this situation was handled.


Dorn I think everyone realizes you do not agree with how this situation was handled by now.

But if you prefer post it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I am sure it will change everything.

Roll


Dorn Val looks at your corporation and wants you to point to the doll and show everyone where the miner bumpers touched you :)

Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate...
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1406 - 2014-03-29 17:33:23 UTC
Darkopus wrote:
but in this case it was done in the name of EVE saying it was part of the game. Thus CCP as any good comopany trying to protect its integrity and reputation looked at it, and their evaluation was "this is too far and could damage us, bring EVE and CCP into potential disrepute" and so they dealt with it.

If all this bonus bullshit was done entirely inside EVE, no recordings made public and done as a true in game in character scam do you think this conversation would be happening.

Some sicko's couldn't understand where the game ends and thus stepped opver the mark and got bitchslapped by the "owners" of the sandbox. Now their sycophant followers can't hack this and are feeding us all their tears.

You can play at whatever floats your boat in this sandbox, but you take it somewhere that CCP doesn't like and do so in the name of the game when what you are doing is nothing to do with the game and everything to do with publically humiliating the actual person driving the character rather than the character then you will get squeezed.

The problem is that the sociopaths of this game simply can't draw the line and think they are being clever in their sick games and then when CCP slats them out of the sand go all huffy. Now they come and cry tears saying they want clear definitions only to enable them to work out how they can circumvent them and continue there sick deranged games. Deal with it you tearful pubbies
OK, so what if a non-eve player takes EVE players into TS rooms and harasses them? Or joins in on EVE players in public TS chatroom and harasses them? Are CCP going to step in there? No.

What about if (or in the hundreds of occasions this has happened in the past) an EVE player on a third party blog or forum throws personal attacks at another EVE player, are they going to step in? No.
What about if someone were to harass another EVE player on twitter? No, they wouldn't.

The fact is they've stated on many occasions that they do not deal with third party services. Read Remiels blog, and you'll see pretty damn clearly what their response is. So if they are doing so now, their rules have changed, so where is the new line. What is and isn't considered third party to EVE?

By the way, it's all well and good for you to just insult everyone who isn't agreeing with you, but how the **** does that make you any different? Hypocrite.

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Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1407 - 2014-03-29 17:37:25 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
I think its funny to see all these carebears going on about harvesting tears.

Just goes to show you it was never about keeping the community clean and all about "winning" an internet fight against the boogyman.


...a fight that none of them had the stones to handle on their own...

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1408 - 2014-03-29 17:39:05 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

By the way, it's all well and good for you to just insult everyone who isn't agreeing with you, but how the **** does that make you any different? Hypocrite.


Yeah but these outside people don't get to participate in the Butterfly Effect, where you're encouraged by CCP to be a Villain till CCP smashes your butterfly with a hammer. P

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Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1409 - 2014-03-29 17:39:36 UTC
Quote:
OK, so what if a non-eve player takes EVE players into TS rooms and harasses them? Or joins in on EVE players in public TS chatroom and harasses them? Are CCP going to step in there? No.

What about if (or in the hundreds of occasions this has happened in the past) an EVE player on a third party blog or forum throws personal attacks at another EVE player, are they going to step in? No.
What about if someone were to harass another EVE player on twitter? No, they wouldn't.

The fact is they've stated on many occasions that they do not deal with third party services. Read Remiels blog, and you'll see pretty damn clearly what their response is. So if they are doing so now, their rules have changed, so where is the new line. What is and isn't considered third party to EVE?

By the way, it's all well and good for you to just insult everyone who isn't agreeing with you, but how the **** does that make you any different? Hypocrite.


1. If a non Eve player starts something then CCP can't do anything because they have no action available to them.

2. Personal attacks (say throwing out 15 responses on a forum) do not have the same invested, intense and unpleasant effects that Erotica1's bonus room have.

3. If someone is harrassing someone on Twitter is a matter for Twitter (and or the authorities) and not CCP.

Clear enough for you?

Aaaaaaand relax.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#1410 - 2014-03-29 17:43:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Amyclas Amatin
Jayem See wrote:


1. If a non Eve player starts something then CCP can't do anything because they have no action available to them.

2. Personal attacks (say throwing out 15 responses on a forum) do not have the same invested, intense and unpleasant effects that Erotica1's bonus room have.

3. If someone is harrassing someone on Twitter is a matter for Twitter (and or the authorities) and not CCP.

Clear enough for you?


People still think the bonus room is a bad thing? No one forces anyone to go into the bonus room. The only thing keeping a "victim" there is desperation over virtual assets. The same "duress" could be asserted on a ransom victim caught in a gank or gatecamp where their virtual property is in danger, and they are relatively powerless in the situation.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1411 - 2014-03-29 17:43:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayem See
I'll delete that one due to forum oddness.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1412 - 2014-03-29 17:47:04 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Jayem See wrote:


1. If a non Eve player starts something then CCP can't do anything because they have no action available to them.

2. Personal attacks (say throwing out 15 responses on a forum) do not have the same invested, intense and unpleasant effects that Erotica1's bonus room have.

3. If someone is harrassing someone on Twitter is a matter for Twitter (and or the authorities) and not CCP.

Clear enough for you?


People still think the bonus room is a bad thing? No one forces anyone to go into the bonus room. The only thing keeping a "victim" there is desperation over virtual assets. The same "duress" could be asserted on a ransom victim caught in a gank or gatecamp where their virtual property is in danger, and they are relatively powerless in the situation.


This argument has been done to death. Most people's objections have nothing to do with being scammed, ransomed or even ransomed and then ganked.

Most people's objections come down to the continued application of pressure after the event. I am sorry you find it normal to behave that way - a lot of people don't.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#1413 - 2014-03-29 17:49:59 UTC
Jayem See wrote:


This argument has been done to death. Most people's objections have nothing to do with being scammed, ransomed or even ransomed and then ganked.

Most people's objections come down to the continued application of pressure after the event. I am sorry you find it normal to behave that way - a lot of people don't.


I see the bonus room as a continuation of a scam, the victim fell for the isk doubling trick a few dozen times, so the scammer proceeds to relieve him of everything he owns - via scamming. The pressure is part of the scam and part of the game.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Surtr Svartalfsen
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1414 - 2014-03-29 17:50:51 UTC
As a female Eve player and a gamer of over 30 years, I expect and tolerate a large amount of what might normally be considered harassment. I am quite used to playing in an environment where players will make off color or sexual references. Sometimes they do it because they want to see if thy can "get your goat", sometimes they are just morons that dont know how to relate to someone that is female other than as a sex object. In my year of playing Eve, I've encountered many people along that spectrum. In my case, the players i value and interact with are those that can be comfortable with my gender and can still see me as a damn good pilot.

As I've told many players that tried to push the issue. My sex is only relevant if you think you have a chance at breeding me.. since I am likely twice your age and married, it isnt likely to happen so get over it.
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#1415 - 2014-03-29 17:51:15 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Also, I said I'm leaving EVE, yes, and I won't be logging in again. Never said anything about the forums.

The drama llama lives.

Guys, I am taking a stand. I am going to quit this game unless my demands are met. But I will hang around the forums because even though I quit the game, I still want to talk about it all the time.


Guys, I'm taking my toys and I'm leaving. Eve life has no meaning for me now that the Precious isn't here anymore.

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1416 - 2014-03-29 17:53:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayem See
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Jayem See wrote:


This argument has been done to death. Most people's objections have nothing to do with being scammed, ransomed or even ransomed and then ganked.

Most people's objections come down to the continued application of pressure after the event. I am sorry you find it normal to behave that way - a lot of people don't.


I see the bonus room as a continuation of a scam, the victim fell for the isk doubling trick a few dozen times, so the scammer proceeds to relieve him of everything he owns - via scamming. The pressure is part of the scam and part of the game.


Except the scam has been completed. The rest of the events that take place are purely for the pleasure of the protagonists.

Erotica1 already came out and said that if he didn't continue the charade then it would be instantly outed as a scam and he couldn't have that. Otherwise his reputation would be for nothing.

The application of pressure to maintain one's reputation (in order to keep maintaining the scam), regardless of the distress of the victim is what some people find objectionable.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#1417 - 2014-03-29 17:54:21 UTC
Surtr Svartalfsen wrote:
As a female Eve player and a gamer of over 30 years, I expect and tolerate a large amount of what might normally be considered harassment. I am quite used to playing in an environment where players will make off color or sexual references. Sometimes they do it because they want to see if thy can "get your goat", sometimes they are just morons that dont know how to relate to someone that is female other than as a sex object. In my year of playing Eve, I've encountered many people along that spectrum. In my case, the players i value and interact with are those that can be comfortable with my gender and can still see me as a damn good pilot.

As I've told many players that tried to push the issue. My sex is only relevant if you think you have a chance at breeding me.. since I am likely twice your age and married, it isnt likely to happen so get over it.


Breeding you? I can just see that conversation on comms... Shocked

Good for you, I hope you stick with the game Eve needs good pilots

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1418 - 2014-03-29 17:56:59 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
1. If a non Eve player starts something then CCP can't do anything because they have no action available to them.
No, but they are still defaming EVE right? So CCP would want to react.

Jayem See wrote:
2. Personal attacks (say throwing out 15 responses on a forum) do not have the same invested, intense and unpleasant effects that Erotica1's bonus room have.
Why not? Someone could hound another player on a forum or a blog, and they could even do so after scamming them out of some stuff. Why does it matter if it was on voice comms or not? The situation is still the exact same thing. At no point does the "victim" have his freedom to simply walk away taken from him.

Jayem See wrote:
3. If someone is harrassing someone on Twitter is a matter for Twitter (and or the authorities) and not CCP.
And if someone is harassing someone else on teamspeak, that's not a matter for CCP, that's a matter for the authorities and the owner of the specific teamspeak server. How can you not see that this is absolutely identical?

Jayem See wrote:
Clear enough for you?
Clear as mud, thanks.

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Drone 16
Holy Horde
#1419 - 2014-03-29 17:59:44 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Darkopus wrote:
but in this case it was done in the name of EVE saying it was part of the game. Thus CCP as any good comopany trying to protect its integrity and reputation looked at it, and their evaluation was "this is too far and could damage us, bring EVE and CCP into potential disrepute" and so they dealt with it.

If all this bonus bullshit was done entirely inside EVE, no recordings made public and done as a true in game in character scam do you think this conversation would be happening.

Some sicko's couldn't understand where the game ends and thus stepped opver the mark and got bitchslapped by the "owners" of the sandbox. Now their sycophant followers can't hack this and are feeding us all their tears.

You can play at whatever floats your boat in this sandbox, but you take it somewhere that CCP doesn't like and do so in the name of the game when what you are doing is nothing to do with the game and everything to do with publically humiliating the actual person driving the character rather than the character then you will get squeezed.

The problem is that the sociopaths of this game simply can't draw the line and think they are being clever in their sick games and then when CCP slats them out of the sand go all huffy. Now they come and cry tears saying they want clear definitions only to enable them to work out how they can circumvent them and continue there sick deranged games. Deal with it you tearful pubbies
OK, so what if a non-eve player takes EVE players into TS rooms and harasses them? Or joins in on EVE players in public TS chatroom and harasses them? Are CCP going to step in there? No.

What about if (or in the hundreds of occasions this has happened in the past) an EVE player on a third party blog or forum throws personal attacks at another EVE player, are they going to step in? No.
What about if someone were to harass another EVE player on twitter? No, they wouldn't.

The fact is they've stated on many occasions that they do not deal with third party services. Read Remiels blog, and you'll see pretty damn clearly what their response is. So if they are doing so now, their rules have changed, so where is the new line. What is and isn't considered third party to EVE?

By the way, it's all well and good for you to just insult everyone who isn't agreeing with you, but how the **** does that make you any different? Hypocrite.


Oh it's the "what if" guy that pestered Malcanis out of the thread last night. What if you take your myriad of questions to a GM or start a bonus room and see how far you can push it until you reach THE LINE. Why pester innocent Eve folk with you incessant neediness?

Take some responsibility for yourself and go find THE LINE. Why are you such a follower that you need your betters to explain it all to you?

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1420 - 2014-03-29 17:59:57 UTC
Surtr Svartalfsen wrote:
As a female Eve player and a gamer of over 30 years, I expect and tolerate a large amount of what might normally be considered harassment.


If you ever want to get into W space then put in an application with Probe Patrol. Flying with female pilots is no big deal for us (we have one in the corp currently, and we've been in alliances with several). They are every bit as good in PVP as their male counterparts.

Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate...