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[Issue] 13,000 Personal Location limit
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Seamus Donohue
EVE University
Ivy League
#1 - 2011-11-30 17:08:28 UTC
EVE Online's handling of bookmarks (now "Personal Locations") has improved significantly with the Crucible expansion. There is a problem, though.

Crucible added a limit where if you already have 13,000 locations, then you are prohibited from creating more until you delete enough of your existing Locations to drop you below 13,000 again. You can still import them from other characters, but you can't create them. There are 1,907 solar systems in Empire Space, 3,294 solar systems in Outlaw Space, and 2,498 solar systems in w-space, for a total of 7,699 solar systems that players can travel to. (Source for numbers.) Most players won't reach 13,000, but against that many solar systems, 13,000 Personal Locations seems limiting.

Presumably, the limit exists to protect the database, which is understandable in and of itself. However, I would like to ask CCP to elaborate in a DevBlog how bookmarks work from a technical viewpoint. Thank you in advance.

Now to go shove my bookmarks into station cans....

Survivor of Teskanen.  Fan of John Rourke.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#2 - 2011-11-30 21:16:45 UTC
I do rather like the implication of the name "personal locations" as it would suggest that we will see non-personal (corp/alliance) locations in the future.

But I agree, it would be easy to acquire thousands of bookmarks if you made just one or two per gate for scouting purposes.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-11-30 21:39:12 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I do rather like the implication of the name "personal locations" as it would suggest that we will see non-personal (corp/alliance) locations in the future.

But I agree, it would be easy to acquire thousands of bookmarks if you made just one or two per gate for scouting purposes.

Never mind the quantities of bookmarks one can accumulate over an extended stay in wormhole space, (I accumulate them at a rate of 300-350 a month...)
Sephiroth Clone VII
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2011-12-01 00:14:04 UTC
this is a non issue, no person will reach the limit.

No one spends long in every system.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-12-01 03:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Dude. 13000 bookmarks are more than enough.

Geez, you rarely leave highsec, why the heck do you need 22000 bookmarks? What percentage of those are in low/nullsec (CONCORD-free space, where, you know, bookmarks are actually useful.)

There's being paranoid. And then there's being paranoid overly much. I have zero bookmarks in highsec. I have about 1500 in low/nullsec. No one is stalking you, Seamus. Other than newbs who watch your awesome tutorial videos, I doubt many people even know who you are. I have some actual enemies and I've yet to be ganked (or even had a gank attempt) on any of my ships in highsec, and I autopilot a lot through high security space. If I don't need 17000 highsec bookmarks (I'm estimating the proportion of your 22000 bookmarks that are highsec bookmarks), you certainly don't. :)

Start pruning. When you get a collection of 13000 low/nullsec bookmarks, then you can start a thread poo-pooing the limit.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#6 - 2011-12-01 09:44:13 UTC
I have quite a lot of Bookmarks and I get a lag spike when opening my people and places, hate to think what 13000 or higher would do.

13000 is fine and only extreme situations would call for more and then you could use an alt.. Really it's a none issue.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#7 - 2011-12-01 22:03:58 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Geez, you rarely leave highsec, why the heck do you need 22000 bookmarks? What percentage of those are in low/nullsec (CONCORD-free space, where, you know, bookmarks are actually useful.)


How many gates are there? How many stations? How many systems? I can think of at least two bookmarks worth having for EACH of those.

The OP has the right idea: set up containers and store some of those bookmarks. You're not going to accidentally end up on the other side of the galaxy without warning enough to go change out a few bookmarks. (although, I think you should be able to drop them into your places without consuming the item, making management and duplication a lot less tedious)

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-12-01 22:13:38 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Geez, you rarely leave highsec, why the heck do you need 22000 bookmarks? What percentage of those are in low/nullsec (CONCORD-free space, where, you know, bookmarks are actually useful.)
How many gates are there? How many stations? How many systems? I can think of at least two bookmarks worth having for EACH of those.
How many systems are actually worth bookmarking? Even in nullsec, if you're deep within your own alliance's territory, there's little point in bookmarking most (if any) of those systems.

Apparently only one person has reached the 13000 limit (actually he blew past it, since he has 22000 bookmarks), since there's only one thread concerning the limit.
Seamus Donohue
EVE University
Ivy League
#9 - 2011-12-01 23:49:12 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
The OP has the right idea: set up containers and store some of those bookmarks. You're not going to accidentally end up on the other side of the galaxy without warning enough to go change out a few bookmarks. (although, I think you should be able to drop them into your places without consuming the item, making management and duplication a lot less tedious)

I'm in favor of making bookmark management less tedious.Smile

Even as I type this, I'm still shoving bookmarks into containers in a station. It's a bit slow, though, since I can only move 5 at a time, and every 5 bookmarks needed 30 seconds to move when I started, though it's down to about 25 seconds now.

Poetic Stanziel wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Geez, you rarely leave highsec, why the heck do you need 22000 bookmarks? What percentage of those are in low/nullsec (CONCORD-free space, where, you know, bookmarks are actually useful.)
How many gates are there? How many stations? How many systems? I can think of at least two bookmarks worth having for EACH of those.
How many systems are actually worth bookmarking? Even in nullsec, if you're deep within your own alliance's territory, there's little point in bookmarking most (if any) of those systems.

Apparently only one person has reached the 13000 limit (actually he blew past it, since he has 22000 bookmarks), since there's only one thread concerning the limit.

I started this thread knowing that I'm an unusual case, but if I really do have more unique bookmarks than any other single capsuleer in New Eden, then that means I'm the first or top at something in all of EVE Online. I'll take that as a personal accomplishment. Big smile

Survivor of Teskanen.  Fan of John Rourke.

I have video tutorials for EVE Online on my YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/SeamusDonohueEVE
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-12-02 00:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Seamus Donohue wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Geez, you rarely leave highsec, why the heck do you need 22000 bookmarks? What percentage of those are in low/nullsec (CONCORD-free space, where, you know, bookmarks are actually useful.)
How many gates are there? How many stations? How many systems? I can think of at least two bookmarks worth having for EACH of those.
How many systems are actually worth bookmarking? Even in nullsec, if you're deep within your own alliance's territory, there's little point in bookmarking most (if any) of those systems.

Apparently only one person has reached the 13000 limit (actually he blew past it, since he has 22000 bookmarks), since there's only one thread concerning the limit.

I started this thread knowing that I'm an unusual case, but if I really do have more unique bookmarks than any other single capsuleer in New Eden, then that means I'm the first or top at something in all of EVE Online. I'll take that as a personal accomplishment. Big smile
True dat! :)

You force time dilation to take effect everytime you open People & Places. Big smile
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#11 - 2011-12-02 02:48:09 UTC
You, sir, have won Eve. Might as well quit.

Can I have your stuff?

Well...your non-bookmark stuff?

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Seamus Donohue
EVE University
Ivy League
#12 - 2011-12-02 05:45:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Seamus Donohue
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
You, sir, have won Eve. Might as well quit.

Can I have your stuff?

Well...your non-bookmark stuff?


[edit] Because something went wrong with my post.

I'm afraid not. If I quit EVE, then EVE University is getting my stuff. P

Survivor of Teskanen.  Fan of John Rourke.

I have video tutorials for EVE Online on my YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/SeamusDonohueEVE
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#13 - 2011-12-02 10:34:07 UTC
My client has an option to "delete" a bookmark.

It is a clever little feature, and it lowers the total number of bookmarks you have.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#14 - 2011-12-02 11:27:09 UTC
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:
this is a non issue, no person will reach the limit.

No one spends long in every system.



I have somewhere north of 4000, and I add more every day.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
thetwilitehour
Caldari Provisions
#15 - 2011-12-02 18:31:31 UTC
Do you really want to know how bookmarks work from a technical standpoint? Badly. They work badly.
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-02-11 13:00:47 UTC
I am necroeing this thread. Some of my chars (though their combined efforts - and yes we also need to fix copying bookmarks, 5 at a time, really?) are heading there sometime this summer. Oops

I may delete 3 or so thousand safespot construction bookmarks (well, parking them in containers, as i didn't bookmark farm those incursions for nothing), but that will only delay the inevetible to give CCP devs enough time to raise the limit.

Arrow *shoo*