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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1081 - 2014-03-29 00:47:24 UTC
Ssieth wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Right, just dont publish it and youre good to go. Oh, also; brain **** your target so they wont tell on you.


As has been stated every time this argument has come up so far on this thread, not getting caught _probably_ is a good way not to get punished. Not doing anything that you can be caught doing is probably the best way of not getting caught.



Thats not the EVE way though roflmao

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1082 - 2014-03-29 00:48:00 UTC
Liese Shardani wrote:
Drone 16 wrote:
But what if I write M...A...L..C...A...N...I...S in peanut butter on my chest? Can I get a discount?
I have visions of this becoming a thing at FanFest.

Forcing Malcanis to lick his name -- written in any condiment -- off your chest would be considered abusive behavior, although TBH I am not sure who would be abusing whom in that particular instance.

Mike Azariah wrote:
Coffee Rocks wrote:

Please, continue debating CCP and the CSM on what they've made perfectly clear. If you are still fuzzy and can't understand it by now, chances are you might be next.

Dammit Coffee, do you have to encourage them?

Dammit Mike, do you have to warn them?

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Freedom, and responsibility, are two diametrically opposed elements that nonetheless are intrinsically linked.

There can never be one, without the other.

Well said, sir!

PS: Several people have told me how much they liked my statement of position on this issue. I want to take a moment to thank CSM5 Chairperson Mynxee for her own eloquent statement, which was very helpful in finding exactly the right tone.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1083 - 2014-03-29 00:48:10 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ssieth wrote:

CCP disagree and the long and short of it is that it's their rules and their decision. If you don't like that fact you need to take it up with them. Fortunately they've provided a nice button for petitioning and another nice button to unsubscribe if you _really_ don't like the result.


CCP didn't disagree with the actions of E1 for more than a year. It only became against the rules when Ripard Teg decided it should be.

Like I said, I made someone sing for their explo frigate last year. They were pretty mad.

Am I randomly going to get banned, now? It's been ok for a year or more, is it going to stop being ok out of the blue?


AND you might get banned. You published those facts publicly O.o

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Alxephon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1084 - 2014-03-29 00:48:16 UTC
I've submitted a ticket on another character, but the real question is what is going to happen to a player who made real life threats against his so-called torturer over spacebux?

The fact that CCP has jumped on the bandwagon with this is absolutely insane.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1085 - 2014-03-29 00:49:19 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:


Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Freedom, and responsibility, are two diametrically opposed elements that nonetheless are intrinsically linked.

There can never be one, without the other.

Well said, sir!



The guy who got scammed STILL never had any of that taken away.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1086 - 2014-03-29 00:50:05 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ssieth wrote:

CCP disagree and the long and short of it is that it's their rules and their decision. If you don't like that fact you need to take it up with them. Fortunately they've provided a nice button for petitioning and another nice button to unsubscribe if you _really_ don't like the result.


CCP didn't disagree with the actions of E1 for more than a year. It only became against the rules when Ripard Teg decided it should be.

Like I said, I made someone sing for their explo frigate last year. They were pretty mad.

Am I randomly going to get banned, now? It's been ok for a year or more, is it going to stop being ok out of the blue?


AND you might get banned. You published those facts publicly O.o


Hell yes I did. I made him sing Habanera from Carmen, it was hilarious.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Mario Putzo
#1087 - 2014-03-29 00:50:46 UTC
Ssieth wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Right, just dont publish it and youre good to go. Oh, also; brain **** your target so they wont tell on you.


As has been stated every time this argument has come up so far on this thread, not getting caught _probably_ is a good way not to get punished. Not doing anything that you can be caught doing is probably the best way of not getting caught.


For this to be true you must first assume you have done nothing wrong. Considering this particular case the numerous posts here on EVEO went unpunished. Ergo, it wasn't an issue. The soundclips of dozens of bonus rooms have been shared here, yet only now after a year it is a problem.

What has changed since then?

Well Ripard Teg blogged about it...

Thats it as far as I can tell.

Maybe Sohkar did go to CCP, maybe others did to, maybe this was the straw that broke the camels back. But I don't think CCP would operate like that, I am sure if that were the case Erotica1 would have been warned about the potential violation of the rules.

Ultimately we have a witch hunt scenario, that has succeeded in vilifying a community member, and CCP trying to save face with a weak open ended comment on it.

Either the rules have changed, or they haven't we don't really know, and won't until the next witch hunt.
Brorr Liason
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#1088 - 2014-03-29 00:50:57 UTC
I'll be sure to file a petition every single time someone says something mean to me on Teamspeak, Mumble or Vent.

I guess that's what this announcement means.
olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1089 - 2014-03-29 00:51:38 UTC
Ripard Teg brought what was an unknown issue to people like myself and the wider community who do not necessarily use the official forums , and vast majority stated there dis-stain for such behavior. I do not interact with trade hub locals because i know its scam central. Therefore having not been scammed like many others who take precautions , i was unaware such action was taking place. Ripard Teg brought what i believe to be a immoral act in my opinion to light . That is all he did

Evidently most people agree about this being immoral . But its upto each person to decide this and CCP to make judgements about what they consider acceptable behavior in the community which they built and which they provide for us. They did end off story
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1090 - 2014-03-29 00:52:44 UTC
And here I thought I'd be bored waiting for my Sushi order.

BAM!!! GD delivers yet again!

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1091 - 2014-03-29 00:53:40 UTC
Brorr Liason wrote:
I'll be sure to file a petition every single time someone says something mean to me on Teamspeak, Mumble or Vent.

I guess that's what this announcement means.


PL's comms are going to be interesting from here on out. They're legendary.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1092 - 2014-03-29 00:53:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
olan2005 wrote:
Ripard Teg brought what was an unknown issue to people like myself and the wider community who do not necessarily use the official forums , and vast majority stated there dis-stain for such behavior. I do not interact with trade hub locals because i know its scam central. Therefore having not been scammed like many others who take precautions , i was unaware such action was taking place. Ripard Teg brought what i believe to be a immoral act in my opinion to light . That is all he did


Again... Kugutsumen.

Same thing.

Banned from the game, his name made to hit the swear word filter for SEVEN YEARS

But yeah. Totally different.

I gotta go to wal mart, ill brb. This is so fun tho

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Upde
Upde Harris Industries
#1093 - 2014-03-29 00:55:17 UTC
Lazrim wrote:
I have no dog in this particular fight, but I have been playing this game off and on for about ten years. Mostly off due to RL time constraints, but I've still seen lots of things come and go.
From a fairly disinterested and jaundiced eye I will say in this episode that Ripard Teg et al. (bloggers etc.) are no different than Erotica 1. Both parties are creepy in their own particular way.
Erotica 1 used in game scams to facilitate a meta-game where he could cause RL anguish to fellow players.
Ripard Teg et al. used their blogs to facilitate (by manipulating CCP?) a meta-game where they could cause RL anguish to Erotica 1.
So, EVE is still EVE and all parties involved, in this episode, have much more in common than they may realize.



not at all. Ripard et al. used blogs to call out anti social / sociopathic behaviour by a group of people that had nothing to do with playing a game and everything to do with causing out of game pain. that was already in the public domain. H emay or may not have had an agenda, but there is no real comparison. I don't ever recall ripard asking E1 to smear mayonaise or peanut butter on his body and spell out his name.......................

Now that CCP have made their position clear all the gang bangers are crying tears of molten veldspar because they will get called out if they try to take things to far for their own perverse pleasures. This is a game and should be played as such. Draggin people to TS for a ritual humiliation for you to publish and get off to is not playing a game, its called being a ****.
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1094 - 2014-03-29 00:57:10 UTC
Brorr Liason wrote:
I'll be sure to file a petition every single time someone says something mean to me on Teamspeak, Mumble or Vent. I guess that's what this announcement means.

I would exercise some caution. Real-life harrassment may well include harrassing the GM staff with spurious petitions. Twisted

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery

Mario Putzo
#1095 - 2014-03-29 01:00:03 UTC
olan2005 wrote:
Ripard Teg brought what was an unknown issue to people like myself and the wider community who do not necessarily use the official forums , and vast majority stated there dis-stain for such behavior. I do not interact with trade hub locals because i know its scam central. Therefore having not been scammed like many others who take precautions , i was unaware such action was taking place. Ripard Teg brought what i believe to be a immoral act in my opinion to light . That is all he did

Evidently most people agree about this being immoral . But its upto each person to decide this and CCP to make judgements about what they consider acceptable behavior in the community which they built and which they provide for us. They did end off story


And you don't think Ripard Tegs blog had anything to do with CCP's decision or their joint announcement with CSM?

Because that is what is the core issue, and has been since day 1 of this.

If CCP felt Erotica1 was deserving of a ban, why not a month ago? 3 months ago? 6 months ago? a year ago? Either its eerily similar timing, or it is clearly a decision made because of Ripards actions, and is serving to only appease the outrage.

As far as I can tell I can still take you into teamspeak, make you sing songs, coerce you into giving me all your things. That hasn't changed, so exactly what rule was violated? In the past month between this particular situation being posted on EVEO, and Ripard Tegs blog what has changed?

But I am sure the 400 page thread, and the negative remarks on MMO community sites following Ripards blog had nothing to do with CCP's decision. Roll



olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1096 - 2014-03-29 01:00:38 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
Ripard Teg brought what was an unknown issue to people like myself and the wider community who do not necessarily use the official forums , and vast majority stated there dis-stain for such behavior. I do not interact with trade hub locals because i know its scam central. Therefore having not been scammed like many others who take precautions , i was unaware such action was taking place. Ripard Teg brought what i believe to be a immoral act in my opinion to light . That is all he did


Again... Kugutsumen.

Same thing.

Banned from the game, his name made to hit the swear word filter for SEVEN YEARS

But yeah. Totally different.

I gotta go to wal mart, ill brb. This is so fun tho


I am unaware of what your talking about and would have to review the facts on this case before rendering an opinion. Bear in mind games, communities and people evolve and change over-time . With the serous advent of social media the internet is more prevalent in our lives. That is the reason rules and regs with regards to virtual inter-action now exist. What might have been unacceptable or acceptable seven years ago has changed in some instances . Its all about your point of view. And like it or not CCP point of view is a little clearer with this action. Whether you think that's good or bad is up-to you . Personally well done ripard teg for bringing this disgusting behavior to light. And to CCP you took your sweet time, but did what i believe to be in everyone interests , from my perspective
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1097 - 2014-03-29 01:02:01 UTC
Brorr Liason wrote:
I'll be sure to file a petition every single time someone says something mean to me on Teamspeak, Mumble or Vent.

I guess that's what this announcement means.


Let us know how that works for you.

Better select another forum now, though, as you likely won't be able to log in to this one.

Mr Epeen Cool
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1098 - 2014-03-29 01:03:14 UTC
olan2005 wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
Ripard Teg brought what was an unknown issue to people like myself and the wider community who do not necessarily use the official forums , and vast majority stated there dis-stain for such behavior. I do not interact with trade hub locals because i know its scam central. Therefore having not been scammed like many others who take precautions , i was unaware such action was taking place. Ripard Teg brought what i believe to be a immoral act in my opinion to light . That is all he did


Again... Kugutsumen.

Same thing.

Banned from the game, his name made to hit the swear word filter for SEVEN YEARS

But yeah. Totally different.

I gotta go to wal mart, ill brb. This is so fun tho


I am unaware of what your talking about and would have to review the facts on this case before rendering an opinion. Bear in mind games, communities and people evolve and change over-time . With the serous advent of social media the internet is more prevalent in our lives. That is the reason rules and regs with regards to virtual inter-action now exist. What might have been unacceptable or acceptable seven years ago has changed in some instances . Its all about your point of view. And like it or not CCP point of view is a little clearer with this action. Whether you think that's good or bad is up-to you . Personally well done ripard teg for bringing this disgusting behavior to light. And to CCP you took your sweet time, but did what i believe to be in everyone interests , from my perspective


Do you actually not know who Kugu is?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Mario Putzo
#1099 - 2014-03-29 01:03:27 UTC
olan2005 wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
Ripard Teg brought what was an unknown issue to people like myself and the wider community who do not necessarily use the official forums , and vast majority stated there dis-stain for such behavior. I do not interact with trade hub locals because i know its scam central. Therefore having not been scammed like many others who take precautions , i was unaware such action was taking place. Ripard Teg brought what i believe to be a immoral act in my opinion to light . That is all he did


Again... Kugutsumen.

Same thing.

Banned from the game, his name made to hit the swear word filter for SEVEN YEARS

But yeah. Totally different.

I gotta go to wal mart, ill brb. This is so fun tho


I am unaware of what your talking about and would have to review the facts on this case before rendering an opinion. Bear in mind games, communities and people evolve and change over-time . With the serous advent of social media the internet is more prevalent in our lives. That is the reason rules and regs with regards to virtual inter-action now exist. What might have been unacceptable or acceptable seven years ago has changed in some instances . Its all about your point of view. And like it or not CCP point of view is a little clearer with this action. Whether you think that's good or bad is up-to you . Personally well done ripard teg for bringing this disgusting behavior to light. And to CCP you took your sweet time, but did what i believe to be in everyone interests , from my perspective


http://themittani.com/features/kugutsumencom-brief-history
Percival Rose
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1100 - 2014-03-29 01:03:47 UTC
Lazrim wrote:
I have no dog in this particular fight, but I have been playing this game off and on for about ten years. Mostly off due to RL time constraints, but I've still seen lots of things come and go.
From a fairly disinterested and jaundiced eye I will say in this episode that Ripard Teg et al. (bloggers etc.) are no different than Erotica 1. Both parties are creepy in their own particular way.
Erotica 1 used in game scams to facilitate a meta-game where he could cause RL anguish to fellow players.
Ripard Teg et al. used their blogs to facilitate (by manipulating CCP?) a meta-game where they could cause RL anguish to Erotica 1.
So, EVE is still EVE and all parties involved, in this episode, have much more in common than they may realize.

When you become subject of a scam, gank or blog post this may **** you off. But the fact that it's allowed makes EVE a great game. It's the very reason I keep coming back to EVE while all my other games are catching dust.

I really don't understand why everyone is raging at Erotica1 while you all seem to be fine with the blog post on Jester's Trek. While some of it is based on facts, it's biased and slanderous. If anyone should be banned it's the author of that article.

Do you know who's going to inherit New Eden? Arms dealers. Because everyone else is too busy killing each other.