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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Ssieth
Celestial Inc
Dracarys.
#901 - 2014-03-28 22:32:11 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
So we can get banned when someone has a sad, based purely off of the decision of the GM and the way the teary eyed "victim" making a strong case, and you think that's a good thing for the game?


If you want to believe that or pretend you believe it then fine. Noone with more than a couple of brain cells to rub together has made that interpretation.

I guess I have to rephrase what others have said 'exercise judgement' clearly isn't enough for some people and those people are probably best staying away from complex social interaction.

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Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#902 - 2014-03-28 22:32:55 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
As it should be otherwise players would be constantly rule lawyering. Exercise some common sense and you'll be peachy.
Like people aren't going to rule lawyer anyway? I'm more worried that through convincing petitions, people are going to get banned for things that other people get away with.


Not empty quoting.


If that happens then do feel to create a thread about it and see how many people agree with it.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Salvos Rhoska
#903 - 2014-03-28 22:33:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Lucas Kell wrote:
Non-sequitor


Your homework is to read the statement 3x a day, till it sinks in its entirety.

Nothing you are talking about is in anyway justified or a concern based on the statement.

Read it. Then read it again. Then re-read it. Every day.

You are seemingly worried about repercussions and implications that do not even exist.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#904 - 2014-03-28 22:33:02 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Can someone give me a quick TL;DR of the thread please?


Coffee Rocks wrote:
To all the folks here worried about this because they can't understand what is "gameplay" and what is "sadistic", let me sum it up for you:

CCP:

Ahem.

"Just have faith in the process."

Thank you.


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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#905 - 2014-03-28 22:33:14 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
Danalee wrote:
stay well clear of that line by not ransomming, scamming, awoxing, ganking or otherwise doing anything EVE is about?
D.

Bear

Oh goodness, how wrong you are. It has been repeatedly reported in this thread that those have been, and will continue to be, completetly acceptable in game activities.

Are you reduced to just trolling now?


Nope.
It has been reported that we can do all that and than some.
BUT
If your "victim" "feels" "threatened" you should "back off" or be "banned".
So how far from which line should I be to prevent someone from having feelings over stuff?

D.

Bear



Figure it out for yourself. Then come back and report to us if you are still able to log in.


Altough I don't agree with you, for some reason I do like you.
Please be a candidate for the next CSM election?

D.

Bear

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#906 - 2014-03-28 22:33:25 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
hero worship of a raving lunatic with embarrassment and shame


The man is banned.

Why keep insulting him but to rub salt in the wound?


Why are you torturing the man? Youre gonna get banned. Or doesnt this extend to forums? I never saw the answer to that

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#907 - 2014-03-28 22:33:56 UTC
Danalee wrote:
stay well clear of that line by not ransomming, scamming, awoxing, ganking or otherwise doing anything EVE is about?

I'm sure you'll say nono, that's all nicely withing the invisible lines drawn.

All good.

I give up on all you sheeple.

D.
Bear

Tyrant Scorn wrote:
So what it all comes down to is that I can no longer gank people in WH space, because I might gank a thin skinned cry baby who goes all berserk on me and reports me to CCP... is that what's happening here now ?


If your judgement is indeed that poor, then yes, better avoid such actions if you believe that they might get you in trouble.
Or HTFU, reread the OP and move along.
Klyith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#908 - 2014-03-28 22:33:58 UTC
I have one, single, very important question for CCP:
Did Sohkar, the victim of the harassment, file a petition about being harassed, either recently or back x months ago when it happened?


I know you never answer questions about petitions, but it's kinda important to know if the standard for policing out of game harassment is now "some busybody unrelated to either party can bring a thing to CCP's attention"?

Could I get a spy into PL, hang out on their comms until the next time Grath explodes in rage and berates some other dude, then send that recording to the harassment department? Grath has a well-know prior history of this thing! Can I go and find the Plungerhead pics and send those in to the good manners police? Can I get on comms with DHD and record him saying the N-word a lot and petition? Could someone else record MY trash talking and use it against me?


This isn't a case of wanting to know where the line is so I can edge up to it. I want to know if harassment is defined by the involved people or what RIPARD TEG and a FORUM THREADNAUGHT want to make an issue out of.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#909 - 2014-03-28 22:34:46 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
hero worship of a raving lunatic with embarrassment and shame


The man is banned.

Why keep insulting him but to rub salt in the wound?


Sounds like harassment to me.
Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#910 - 2014-03-28 22:34:52 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
ITT: A few people who seem to completely lack the faculty of comprehending what might entail "clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against players in the outside world."


Bullshit.


Its a quote from the CCP statement

Apparently you are one of those who cannot comprehend it that I refer to.

You could have just put your hand up, you know.

Sorry if not treating people with clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment is difficult for you to adjust to.


Unfortunately, you do not understand what 'real life' is. 'Outside of EVE' doesn't mean it takes place in 'real life'. Its still 'cyberspace.'

Chatting with a complete stranger on Teamspeak isn't "real life" as both parties are anonymous.



Vance Armistice
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#911 - 2014-03-28 22:35:21 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Can someone give me a quick TL;DR of the thread please?


whinge..whine...I can't do this....Malcanis can I do that?...whinge...exchange full tear jar with an empty....whinge...what if?...what if?...what if?....Malcanis? ....Malcanis?....Malcanis?....Malcanis?...exchange full tear jar with an empty...snifle...

DO try and keep up!
One Eyed Runner
GetYaTitsOut
#912 - 2014-03-28 22:35:42 UTC
with all the bitching going on, I can only assume that most of you have not been in the military. In the military rules change hourly depending on you commanding office and how he feels, get use to it and you will rarely be disappointed in life

I live in Jita so f*ck off
Prince Kobol
#913 - 2014-03-28 22:35:46 UTC
Klyith wrote:
I have one, single, very important question for CCP:
Did Sohkar, the victim of the harassment, file a petition about being harassed, either recently or back x months ago when it happened?


I know you never answer questions about petitions, but it's kinda important to know if the standard for policing out of game harassment is now "some busybody unrelated to either party can bring a thing to CCP's attention"?

Could I get a spy into PL, hang out on their comms until the next time Grath explodes in rage and berates some other dude, then send that recording to the harassment department? Grath has a well-know prior history of this thing! Can I go and find the Plungerhead pics and send those in to the good manners police? Can I get on comms with DHD and record him saying the N-word a lot and petition? Could someone else record MY trash talking and use it against me?


This isn't a case of wanting to know where the line is so I can edge up to it. I want to know if harassment is defined by the involved people or what RIPARD TEG and a FORUM THREADNAUGHT want to make an issue out of.


Did the Wiz report The Mittani?

If he didn't then I guess using your logic CCP should of not banned The Mittani.
Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#914 - 2014-03-28 22:35:58 UTC
Klyith wrote:
stuff


Coffee Rocks wrote:
To all the folks here worried about this because they can't understand what is "gameplay" and what is "sadistic", let me sum it up for you:

CCP:

Ahem.

"Just have faith in the process."

Thank you.


You never fly alone - Broadcast 4 Reps | Twitter: @thecoffeerocks | Steam: CoffeeRocks
Salvos Rhoska
#915 - 2014-03-28 22:36:35 UTC
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jebediah Phoenix wrote:
Except it has since that's exactly what Erotica 1 has been banned for.


How do you know what Erotica1 was banned for?

Cite your source please.


He was banned for the bonus room, that should be pretty clear. I would hardly call what went on there the equivalent of finding out someones personal information.


How do you know what Erotica1 was banned for?

Cite your source please.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Kaius Fero
#916 - 2014-03-28 22:36:40 UTC
I wanna scam, gank &**** = goon. But hey, I'm also cheap.. no tenbux :( Should I shoot somebody to get in the line? I'm a 1% biker .. so you know....

Anselmo & The Illegals
Mario Putzo
#917 - 2014-03-28 22:36:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
A lot of snide comments and slanderous remarks being directed at Erotica 1, why if id say there are quite a few folks harassing this individual who has already received punishment for his actions.
Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#918 - 2014-03-28 22:37:01 UTC
Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
ITT: A few people who seem to completely lack the faculty of comprehending what might entail "clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against players in the outside world."


Bullshit.


Its a quote from the CCP statement

Apparently you are one of those who cannot comprehend it that I refer to.

You could have just put your hand up, you know.

Sorry if not treating people with clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment is difficult for you to adjust to.


Unfortunately, you do not understand what 'real life' is. 'Outside of EVE' doesn't mean it takes place in 'real life'. Its still 'cyberspace.'

Chatting with a complete stranger on Teamspeak isn't "real life" as both parties are anonymous.





Coffee Rocks wrote:
To all the folks here worried about this because they can't understand what is "gameplay" and what is "sadistic", let me sum it up for you:

CCP:

Ahem.

"Just have faith in the process."

Thank you.



I think I could quote myself all day. My ego is liking this.

You never fly alone - Broadcast 4 Reps | Twitter: @thecoffeerocks | Steam: CoffeeRocks
Tyrant Scorn
#919 - 2014-03-28 22:37:02 UTC
Vance Armistice wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Can someone give me a quick TL;DR of the thread please?


whinge..whine...I can't do this....Malcanis can I do that?...whinge...exchange full tear jar with an empty....whinge...what if?...what if?...what if?....Malcanis? ....Malcanis?....Malcanis?....Malcanis?...exchange full tear jar with an empty...snifle...

DO try and keep up!


That is a pretty nice write up brah, you should be a writer !

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Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#920 - 2014-03-28 22:37:28 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Louis Robichaud wrote:

It's starting to sound like it doesn't it? And who would have known that griefer tears would be such a delicate nectar?


So you don't feel the dev post provides very little guidance, and does not address the issue at hand.
You changed your mind and thought now to be as good a time as any to join the army of pitchfork wielding trolls.

Gotcha Louis. And here I was thinking you had a mind of your own Roll

D.

Bear


Awww Danalee, I thought we were such good friends!

Let me explain a bit. My first post was written after reading the original post and a page or two. I didn't have the time at that point to read the whole thread. Yes, very evil of me, my bad.

However, after reading more, both what Malcanis said and that fact that Erotica1 seems to have been banned, well it made it clear that the bonus room *was* going too far in CCP's view. Thus I - and you - have obtained clarification.

Now some people are demanding much clearer rules than that. As far as I can figure out, there are three possible reasons for this (and they may vary depending on the person asking).

1: They want to dance on that rule, tear harvest as much as possible without getting banned.

2: They don't have any empathy, and can't tell when they are being cruel to others.

3: They are dumb as door-nobs.

Some of the objections I've heard are ridiculous "oh no, I accidentally bumped into someone and he flipped out and now I'm going to get banned". Come on now, don't be ridiculous.

So to those who want a crystal clear rule you can dance on without going over, that they are now upset with having to live with the fear of being banned: HTFU!

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