EVE General Discussion

Public pretending to care... If you bought that apology...

Thank you for your efforts in making sure Ero got a fair shot. Ripard's blog started a massive uproar and I'm sure put a lot of pressure on CCP. I have to admit, I am a little disturbed that this has been going on for nearly a year, but Ero has received no warnings on the subject prior to a (seemingly) permanent ban. Also once the ban went into effect, he received no communication about exactly what steps were being taken. I am not asking for any changes regarding the handling of this case, but CCP really needs to look at their communication process when handling rules violations in the future.

I think CCP are less concerned about "protecting" Sohkar—how could they be? that story is over—than they are about preventing this happening again to anyone else.

Okay, I'm confused. Allow me to ask a few questions, here.
And this is a playerbase issue, here, so I'd ask that you please show me just enough respect to give me concise answers and not blow-off excuses (not that I think you would, I'm just saying). Bear in mind I am not on anyone in particular's side, on this.
Obviously, I am against actual harassment. I just don't see where the Bonus Room antics would qualify.

1. Once again, how is a willing participant being "harassed"? It's not like the guy was a child or mentally challenged. He should have known, full-well, what he was doing to himself, and that he could have quit at any time. Where are we drawing the line, here? Because this seems an awful lot like WoW-Style guiding-player-along-by-the-hand.

2. In general, where are we drawing the line, here? You say anyone attempting to use this ruling as a basis for a "can't touch me" card metagame is not going to like the results, but what happens when a white-knight GM, or just one that simply doesn't understand what is and is not harassment, gets hold of a support ticket from some angry carebear who just wants to mine or mission in lowsec without consequences, and bans the combat pilot for simply doing what he has always known he was allowed to do?

3. Are you taking a firm stance against any and all "slippery slopes", here? You're going to see a LOT of loyal players unsub if ganking ever becomes a bannable offense. Remember.... highsec carebears don't stay around too long. It's the well-rounded folks who really pay CCP's bills.

4. If action was, indeed, taken against Erotica 1, what will become of Sokhar? That diatribe he spewed was pretty vile. In my opinion, it shows his true colors. Do we really need to defend players like him? If E1 was perma'd, Sokhar should be, as well.

I'm voting for you weather you run or not.

It will happen again, and it will happen the next time after that, and it will be handled by CCP case by case, as it should be. It should not be up to the community to call for blood because a guy like Ripard Teg decided to write a blog post about a month old issue to "win" a personal vendetta against an individual.

I am curious as to if Sohkar, or any other bonus room candidate has ever filed a complaint with CCP stating they were harassed. I am not entitled to know, but I am curious.

And they could do so by clearly defining what they deem as crossing the line, and not by buckling to public demand by punishing a single player from a whole heap of players who perform similar acts.

I answered this question a few pages page.

The short answer is that the person controlling the situation has the responsibility to see that it doesn't go too far. I assume that you're sufficiently intelligent to determine when you're about to push someone over the line. This most specifically does not include in game actions: if someone goes into a screaming meltdown because you blew his ship up, then too bad for him. If you continue to interact with him and goad him for no reason other than to goad him, then you're in the red zone.

Scam all you like.
Gank all you like.
Spy all you like.
Awox all you like.

Excercise judgement & discretion when rubbing salt into the wound afterwards.

Is that so hard to understand?

Yeah, it seems to say "bonus rooms are fine but try to do them a little less than the person we banned for doing it"

Its too far when you are purposely prodding a victim that is uncomfortable with the situation. Just like how the New Order is not supposed to follow a miner between regions to continue bumping that specific miner, once you have a mark's assets you should make them do their little jig and then stop. Don't continue just to see how far you can make them go. This really shouldn't be rocket science. The bonus round was completely fine for a significant number of clients. I became disturbed when I was told, "Get on comms, this guy is crying. Its hilarious." Does that make any sense?

And yes. That was an actual quote with the profanity removed. I would also like to point out that it was not Erotica 1 that said that.