EVE General Discussion

I think having your Mrs. impersonate you by typing in local while you're away and logged in might be construed as account sharing and be against the EULA/ToS.

Otherwise, no the rest of the AFK cloaking hunting stuff has very little in common with the parallels you're trying to draw with other current events. Carry on cloaking.

If he's reading local then he's already been unsuccessful at the afk part.

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I'll answer your questions, since you insist so.

-Am I within the bounds of "emergent gameplay"?



-Are my despicable activities allowed under the Eve Online Tos or EULA in peoples opinions?

Remember that this game contains
Enough grief to try a bear's brain
They petition devs
"That is legal" they said
"Get your revenge in the game"

-Does psychological warfare of this type construe harassment in the eyes of the Eve populace?



-If someone is unwilling to undock because of my actions, am I holding them against their will?



-If I am affecting the virtual income of others, and ISK can buy PLEX which has real world value, Am I violating any monetary laws in peoples opinion?

My Friend he bought all of the trains
Made me pay high rate shine or rain
I called the SEC
They agreed it was sleazy
But Sherman Act is not in the game

-I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim?



Also I'll add the your invention of AFK Noobing has given lie to any notion that people who complain about AFK Cloaking have done everything that they could do to eliminate the 'threat' to their ships or ops. It has solved the AFK 'problem' once and for all.

Thank you Clementina for taking the time to answer my questions! Your comment above is exactly why I did it! Now if I could only get all the people to understand the difference between AFK Cloakers and Cloaked hunting, my ultimate mission would be complete.

There will come a time when people will start finding my nooblets and killing them, but you see..those people will have started becoming less afraid of the unknown, and are actually taking steps to solve their perceived "problem" instead of running to the forums and calling for change!

Well if you want opinions , here they come , in order:

- Probably ? I'm mean afk cloaking is nothing new so I'm not sure it's really "emergent" anymore.

- Yes.

- Only for carebears who go to nullsec for safe farm while not expecting pvp.

- Technically you are not physically preventing them from undocking , however they don't want to undock because of your presence so i would say yes. (not saying there is nothing they can do about it btw. The easiest way of dealing with being "held against your will" by afk cloakers is to wait for your balls to drop first and hit that undock button.)

- You are affecting Their in-game income if they refuse to undock because of your presence in the system. Plex have a price yes , however they cannot be traded for actual money under the ToS , so they are not actually worth anything unless you RMT.
Also monetary laws actually involve money , not pixels in a pixel spaceship video game.

And anyone who says you're breaking the law by being in a system and doing nothing is just hilarious.

-You're as much a "victim" of their smack talk as they are "victims" of your afk cloaking. As in not at all.

Honestly, as a WH resident I don't understand the furor over AFK cloakers.

WH residents are all cloaky hunters at some point (except the hard-core industrialists perhaps). When we run sites, we have no comforting local to assure us we're safe (or not). In W-space you always have to be prepared to be ambushed; watching d-scan for ships, the discovery scanner for new sigs- you're never safe. Even if you know (think) your statics are closed and there are no 162s- there is still the possibility of a log-in trap.

Every now and then we get a null static.

System after empty system. We can rat in perfect safety as long as local is empty.

In null. Where the risk is supposed to be high.

That's pretty backwards, that someone can rat in sov space in complete safety- and it's not even their space!!

If you ask me, null should be less safe, not more safe.

If someone cloaking in local completely paralyzes you and your corp- well, the phrase HTFU is thrown around a lot these days...

I'm planning to roll in a Nemesis, totally black ops cloaked.....but not for the reason you might think.

I just simply want to pilot my way through New Eden, see null sec, see low sec, see high sec in every empire, find a wormhole, get lost in a wormhole, be pissed I can't find my way OUT of the wormhole, FINALLY find my way out and head home and dock the Nemesis, grab my Covetor and do some mining lol

But I don't want to be warp scrambled as soon as I jump through a stargate or blown up by some little punk a$s b!tch when I'm answering my girlfriends latest text message sending me photos of her banging body and telling me what happened at Dance it Off or at the gym with her friend Sydney or whatever else she tells me.

In my opinion...people who camp stargates are b!tches with tiny manhoods. So yeah...covert ops ship, pushed to the hilt with cloaking....just so I can roll through New Eden without the tiny manhoods trying to show me how big they are(nt)

Yes it is a bit of an conundrum. The Saviour does appear to be in contradiction. In this instance we need to look at the entirety of his writings to give meaning to this subject. In doing so we see that the Supreme Protector casts an angry stare at AFK mining and goes on at great length about purging it from New Eden. But the teachings of James 315 show that what makes AFK mining so heinous is the wonton generation of financial wealth while sitting in space in a ship of fragile construction, then demanding recompense when that ship suddenly explodes. Further reading also shows the Father of the New Order recoiling at any in space display of both obscene wealth and expectation of perfect safety.

Given all that it is clear that the Supreme Protector and Savior of Hisec and Father of the New Order James 315 thinks that in space activites should be performed without an expectation of safety most especially when generation of ISKs are going on. Since AFK cloakers are not generating any isk, except on their market alts, they do not draw the ire of our Saviour (peace be upon him). Also, its not called the New Order of Hisec for nothin'.

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If you are using wormholes instead of stargates to enter null, you are most likely perfectly safe. It is very rare anyone camps a wormhole exit, and even then it is pretty easy to jump back into the wormhole if things get hot.