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An Announcement Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Lady Areola Fappington
#81 - 2014-03-28 13:36:30 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Hi Falcon!

I have a question for you. I brought this one up specifically in the megathread, so here we go:

Will CCP be applying it's EULA with regards to off-EVE systems. Example: Teamspeak, blogs, Skype, things of that nature.

I'm asking not so much due to the current case, but out of concern that nefarious people may decide to pretend to be someone they wish banned, off of CCP system.

Again, example. Person who hates LAF registers the blog "I_Am_LAF.com". Proceeds to write awful things, violate EULA, and other assorted bad things. Joins random voice comms under my name and spews RL harassment. Would I need to worry about that when it comes to my own account?
Thanks in advance!


Hi, Lady Areola Fappington

The EULA has always affected external content to a degree, when that content is shared using our systems. For example when you post a link that contains inappropriate content, even though that content is hosted somewhere outside EVE Online, there's always been potential for disciplinary action. We haven't changed any policies but we do reserve the right, as we always have, to revoke access to our services if they are being used to facilitate something, or share something, that violates our terms of service.



Hey, you're not Falcon! Falcon is the buff, manly man with the mohawk. You're the midget version of Charlie Sheen!

Makes sense, if I'm reading you right. I have nothing to worry about from a person, say, pretending to be "me" as in LAF off of EVE systems in order to cause me EULA issues. It would only hit against myself and accounts if I tied it to myself (Hey look at my ToS breaking blog! versus Hey everyone go look at this ToS breaking blog with LAFs name on it!)

This does put a hitch in my plans for a CCP Guard/Batman/Sansha Kuvakei slashfic though.....

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Malcolm from Marketing
Klaatu Technologies
#82 - 2014-03-28 13:36:32 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
As long as Erotica isn't getting away with this without consequences. I am a happy camper.

Even more happier that it is now very crystal clear to everyone that what occurred is not tolerated by CCP.

Thank you very much CCP, faith restored.


Read more closely.


What was never stated is whether they think the Sohkar situation counts as harassment, and MANY people don't think it does.


And even more people think it does going on the views in the original thread.

Im not confident anything at all will happen to Erotica, this is simply a "watch your antics dont cross a line" announcement from CCP.
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#83 - 2014-03-28 13:37:18 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:


Likewise.


You'll have to demonstrate where I made one first.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=332182&p=380

post #7584
Ambassador Crane
Hellhound Productions
#84 - 2014-03-28 13:37:57 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Please feel free to discuss this statement in this thread, however please also be aware of the forum rules, and our rules on discussion of warnings and bans.

Above all, lets keep it civil and constructive.

Thanks again.



I understand the statement not to discuss particular cases/bans/etc. However, given that many obviously don't find this announcement to be entirely clear, perhaps we can get some clear examples of what would be considered punishable offenses? I, and I'm sure everyone would agree that not every case can or will be cut and paste situations, that each case can not be planned for. However, just a few examples to help the readers better understand where your minds are at in addressing this would be cool.
Josef Djugashvilis
#85 - 2014-03-28 13:38:33 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
So move along pretty much.

Ok.

Watch my accounts.

Later.

*** not a rage quit.
Just disagreement and something I do not want to affiliate myself with.


Holla at ya. Don't forget to tell us how many accounts so I know how many new accounts to sub to compensate.


Go cry more noob lol.
And **** yeah I'll give my stuff away :)
To all the nice people I know of course


It would be better not to quit, go gank a few people to work off your anger instead.

You will feel better for it. Smile

This is not a signature.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#86 - 2014-03-28 13:39:36 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
Shill blurt


Keep on shillin
Imma link this thread when some poor critter temporarily off his meds gets taken to a TS channel and hazed to the point of homicide.






And it would be his fault for not taking his meds as he was ordered by his physician. CRAZY PEOPLE ARE CRAZY how do we have anything to do with that?


Rather than argue the point with your relentlessly disingenuous and tasteless self, i would simply advise you that everything you post will be viewed in that post-meltdown light.
Maybe once you've goaded someone to end themselves, without that being the aim of course, just a bit of fun, maybe then you can comfort yourself with some version of victim blaming. Or maybe the guilt will eat you down to the bone.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-03-28 13:39:49 UTC
Ambassador Crane wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Please feel free to discuss this statement in this thread, however please also be aware of the forum rules, and our rules on discussion of warnings and bans.

Above all, lets keep it civil and constructive.

Thanks again.



I understand the statement not to discuss particular cases/bans/etc. However, given that many obviously don't find this announcement to be entirely clear, perhaps we can get some clear examples of what would be considered punishable offenses? I, and I'm sure everyone would agree that not every case can or will be cut and paste situations, that each case can not be planned for. However, just a few examples to help the readers better understand where your minds are at in addressing this would be cool.


+1 i agree . The statement from CCP does not make it clear. What counts as extraordinary cases .
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#88 - 2014-03-28 13:40:12 UTC
Ambassador Crane wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Please feel free to discuss this statement in this thread, however please also be aware of the forum rules, and our rules on discussion of warnings and bans.

Above all, lets keep it civil and constructive.

Thanks again.



I understand the statement not to discuss particular cases/bans/etc. However, given that many obviously don't find this announcement to be entirely clear, perhaps we can get some clear examples of what would be considered punishable offenses? I, and I'm sure everyone would agree that not every case can or will be cut and paste situations, that each case can not be planned for. However, just a few examples to help the readers better understand where your minds are at in addressing this would be cool.


Verbally berating someone and using alts to continually spam the person with death threats/textual abuse.

Basically, if you HARASS someone, you have problems.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Josef Djugashvilis
#89 - 2014-03-28 13:40:29 UTC
Cedric deBouilard wrote:
so... did Erotica 1 got banned or not?

I couldn't get anything from out of CCP corporate-speech


That was the whole point Smile

What action CCP did or did not take is a private matter between CCP and Ero.

This is not a signature.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2014-03-28 13:40:47 UTC
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:


Likewise.


You'll have to demonstrate where I made one first.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=332182&p=380

post #7584


Firstly, that thread is locked. The moderation has been done. Secondly, I don't think you understand the definition of a personal attack. That was merely a witty method of addressing your demonstrable mouth-frothing blood lust for Ero. Maybe if you consider it a personal attack it's because of that little voice inside your head called a 'guilty conscience'.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#91 - 2014-03-28 13:42:00 UTC
Kristalll wrote:


See this is the part with problems. How you FEEL about it doesn't matter. It plainly wasn't harassment (or torture, btw) based on all definitions.


+1

Not to derail, but as with anything with 2 sides, you got one saying "what I think is" and the other saying "how I feel is". That usually goes to the heart of the disagreement in game and irl.

Personally, I don't give a flip about what someone 'feels' on matter of course.
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#92 - 2014-03-28 13:42:06 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
Remiel Pollard wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:



That's your right and good luck to you, but it's down right silly to quit a game because some dude who wasn't you lost some virtual things to a trickster type then made a fool of himself trying to get his stuff back. No one died here (despite the threats) and the so called victim is cool with everything.

If this sort of thing gets to you then you decision to be a denizen of the internet in any form might be kind of suspect. Life is harsh.



I'm quitting because CCP didn't do nothing here really.


You don't know that for sure, though, because it's against their policy to discuss the details of specific cases, so they won't tell you either way. If you quit now, you're doing it without knowing for sure what CCP will do or have done.


And you might be absolutely right thing is it's always like that :)
I make games myself and while I'm not a supercorp I use every single input I can get to make people enjoy it.
I answer questions as they are asked. Clear, because it's simple and leaves no room for speculation and in this case we all kinda needed that. Scammers so they can go on hard on people and those noobs that will fall for it but knowing the bottom line.
As of now it's exactly like it was before and only thing that will change is people will not post recorded **** back :)
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#93 - 2014-03-28 13:42:08 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:


Rather than argue the point with your relentlessly disingenuous and tasteless self, i would simply advise you that everything you post will be viewed in that post-meltdown light.
Maybe once you've goaded someone to end themselves, without that being the aim of course, just a bit of fun, maybe then you can comfort yourself with some version of victim blaming. Or maybe the guilt will eat you down to the bone.




Just like ID Software feels horribly about how they are responsible for releasing Doom and causing columbine to happen.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2014-03-28 13:42:44 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
Shill blurt


Keep on shillin
Imma link this thread when some poor critter temporarily off his meds gets taken to a TS channel and hazed to the point of homicide.






And it would be his fault for not taking his meds as he was ordered by his physician. CRAZY PEOPLE ARE CRAZY how do we have anything to do with that?


Rather than argue the point with your relentlessly disingenuous and tasteless self, i would simply advise you that everything you post will be viewed in that post-meltdown light.
Maybe once you've goaded someone to end themselves, without that being the aim of course, just a bit of fun, maybe then you can comfort yourself with some version of victim blaming. Or maybe the guilt will eat you down to the bone.




For there to be victim blaming, there first has to be a victim.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2014-03-28 13:44:09 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:


And you might be absolutely right thing is it's always like that :)
I make games myself and while I'm not a supercorp I use every single input I can get to make people enjoy it.
I answer questions as they are asked. Clear, because it's simple and leaves no room for speculation and in this case we all kinda needed that. Scammers so they can go on hard on people and those noobs that will fall for it.
As of now it's exactly like it was before and only thing that will change is people will not post recorded **** back :)


The choices you make for you are entirely your prerogative. Good luck in your future endeavours.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#96 - 2014-03-28 13:44:50 UTC
Ok, so the discussion about morality is over then Im assuming?

This is just after shocks and talking about the EULA, right?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#97 - 2014-03-28 13:45:51 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:


Rather than argue the point with your relentlessly disingenuous and tasteless self, i would simply advise you that everything you post will be viewed in that post-meltdown light.
Maybe once you've goaded someone to end themselves, without that being the aim of course, just a bit of fun, maybe then you can comfort yourself with some version of victim blaming. Or maybe the guilt will eat you down to the bone.




Just like ID Software feels horribly about how they are responsible for releasing Doom and causing columbine to happen.


Like i said: disingenuous and tasteless.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2014-03-28 13:46:40 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ok, so the discussion about morality is over then Im assuming?

This is just after shocks and talking about the EULA, right?


I thought you wrote 'shots' instead of 'shocks' there for a second. And because of that, I did three shots of Johnny Blue Label. I really shouldn't be shooting Blue Label, it's too damn expensive for that. Excuse me while I get a proper glass for it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#99 - 2014-03-28 13:48:39 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ok, so the discussion about morality is over then Im assuming?

This is just after shocks and talking about the EULA, right?


I thought you wrote 'shots' instead of 'shocks' there for a second. And because of that, I did three shots of Johnny Blue Label. I really shouldn't be shooting Blue Label, it's too damn expensive for that. Excuse me while I get a proper glass for it.


Aftershocks is a brand of shot-liquer here so thats doubly confusing lol

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lucretia DeWinter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2014-03-28 13:51:09 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hello everyone,

For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.

EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.

While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.

CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.

Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.

As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.

- The EVE Universe Community Team


Thanks for this. It echoes pretty much exactly how I felt about it.

For me, as long the behaviours within the game that become Not Okay outside of it are investigated with resulting action where necessary, I have faith that CCP will do what they say.

This way, the community can be self regulating to a degree. If we know of an incident we feel warrants looking at, we can report to CCP and let them handle it.

Obviously, this might be difficult for some with the (totally correct) non-disclosure of investigative results, but I'd be happy with this position and realise it is pretty much everything CCP can do.