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Orca- tractor beam? or MTU?
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Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-03-26 19:21:14 UTC
Newer / Noob Corp. Building our first orca. Question on how MTU works (as I haven't used one) Could we use that to replace tractor beam? Thus Freeing up a high slot for another Mining Link? Or would the MTU only tractor the OWNERS cans/wrecks- can you control it like a tractor beam or is it automatic.
thanks for any input!
Kalliea Aeterna
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-03-26 20:56:07 UTC
The MTU will tractor any friendly or neutral cans. So this will work for a mining fleet.
The problem is it will tractor them as soon as they are dropped so unless the miner is within 2500m of the MTU they will not be able to fill their jetcans.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2014-03-26 21:22:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Kalliea Aeterna wrote:
The MTU will tractor any friendly or neutral cans. So this will work for a mining fleet.
The problem is it will tractor them as soon as they are dropped so unless the miner is within 2500m of the MTU they will not be able to fill their jetcans.

Just eject your ore every other cycle. I assume Hulks are being used.

MTU works well with a freighter,
Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-03-26 21:38:06 UTC
that's the idea- have the orca sit next to the MTU and just move from MTU to orca- hence freeing up one more high slot instead of tractor beam. only thing being that the MTU will be kind of the 'middle man' to get the ore to orca.
make sense?
Allison A'vani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-03-26 22:52:32 UTC
Unless you are planning on also using the Orca for bonuses, then just use a freighter with the MTU, way, way more space (also more hp).
Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-03-27 14:33:40 UTC
no, right now our orca will be the hauler/bonus ship- no other big ships on the manufacturing line yet.
Just trying to decide if that extra gang link is worth the hassle of the MTU or just put a tractor beam there. I thought someone would have an Idea of how THEY do it.
thanks all
Khadrea Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#7 - 2014-03-27 15:37:23 UTC
Small Tractor Beam II's max range is 84km and max tractor velocity is 1.2km/s.
Moble Tractor Unit's max range is 125km and max tractor velocity is 1km/s.

The Harvester Capacitor Efficiency link is virtually worthless.
Using a tanking link, shield or armor, is pretty futile - most likely won't prevent a gank of an Exhumer/Mining Barge.
Using a Sensor Booster link is unnecessary, because why boost scan range of Hulks when maxed out Modulated Strip Miner II range is 26km.

MTU will start pulling cans almost immediately, but this is workable (see Tau's advice).

The decision is yours.

I would use an MTU, put an Expanded Probe Launcher II in the spare high and scan down stuff for people who get bored with mining ;)

Also, don't use the Orca as a booster/hauler. Get a Miasmos, you can get a 63000m³ ore bay from it.
Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-03-27 15:56:47 UTC
ok ok ok WTF don't use an orca for mining bonuses?
please explain. that's what we are building the flipping thing in the first place!?
skilled up and maxed on the mining link bonuses and if we have 2 x mining laser optimization and 1 x mining laser field enhancement. That would be a SICK cycle time - ships be poopin out jet cans so fast!
What am I missing?
Khadrea Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#9 - 2014-03-27 16:02:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Khadrea Shakor
Ezra Blade Blade wrote:
ok ok ok WTF don't use an orca for mining bonuses?
please explain. that's what we are building the flipping thing in the first place!?
skilled up and maxed on the mining link bonuses and if we have 2 x mining laser optimization and 1 x mining laser field enhancement. That would be a SICK cycle time - ships be poopin out jet cans so fast!
What am I missing?


Simple misunderstanding, calm down :)

I said "Don't use the Orca as a booster/hauler", I should have said "Use the Orca only as a booster, not as a hauler".

Edit:
Mining Foreman Links have a "modulelimit -1" parameter; meaning you can only fit one of each to a single ship.
Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-03-27 16:09:16 UTC
hahaha, im calm, sorry - hard to convey real emotion on forum text- im very thankful that you have taken the time to respond and clear up some things for our corp. +likes for you all here
Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-03-27 16:10:58 UTC
WOah- actually, the fact that I can't double up on a link is news to me, can you help me find that information- its a bit ambiguous on the description of the item. thanks!
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#12 - 2014-03-27 17:45:34 UTC
Khadrea Shakor wrote:
Small Tractor Beam II's max range is 84km and max tractor velocity is 1.2km/s.
Moble Tractor Unit's max range is 125km and max tractor velocity is 1km/s.

The Harvester Capacitor Efficiency link is virtually worthless.
Using a tanking link, shield or armor, is pretty futile - most likely won't prevent a gank of an Exhumer/Mining Barge.
Using a Sensor Booster link is unnecessary, because why boost scan range of Hulks when maxed out Modulated Strip Miner II range is 26km.

MTU will start pulling cans almost immediately, but this is workable (see Tau's advice).

The decision is yours.

I would use an MTU, put an Expanded Probe Launcher II in the spare high and scan down stuff for people who get bored with mining ;)

Also, don't use the Orca as a booster/hauler. Get a Miasmos, you can get a 63000m³ ore bay from it.

I have had 2 ships survive ganks due to a tanking link. In both cases the ship had 10% hull left. I'm sure it would have exploded if not for the link.

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Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-03-27 18:37:34 UTC
ganks in low sec / null sec? we are high sec at this time until we get our protection together-
I feel like this baby would survive until concord showed up..in high sec
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2014-03-27 20:09:01 UTC
I tend to use:
* Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II
* Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II
* Siege Warfare - Shield Harmonizing II
* Mobile Tractor Unit

Having one miner with the Siege Warfare Mindlink for 5% more shield (plus 10% with just the skill) doesn't hurt either.
Khadrea Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#15 - 2014-03-28 08:27:17 UTC
Ezra Blade Blade wrote:
WOah- actually, the fact that I can't double up on a link is news to me, can you help me find that information- its a bit ambiguous on the description of the item. thanks!

Sure. I got it from EFT.
Khadrea Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#16 - 2014-03-28 08:29:08 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Khadrea Shakor wrote:
Small Tractor Beam II's max range is 84km and max tractor velocity is 1.2km/s.
Moble Tractor Unit's max range is 125km and max tractor velocity is 1km/s.

The Harvester Capacitor Efficiency link is virtually worthless.
Using a tanking link, shield or armor, is pretty futile - most likely won't prevent a gank of an Exhumer/Mining Barge.
Using a Sensor Booster link is unnecessary, because why boost scan range of Hulks when maxed out Modulated Strip Miner II range is 26km.

MTU will start pulling cans almost immediately, but this is workable (see Tau's advice).

The decision is yours.

I would use an MTU, put an Expanded Probe Launcher II in the spare high and scan down stuff for people who get bored with mining ;)

Also, don't use the Orca as a booster/hauler. Get a Miasmos, you can get a 63000m³ ore bay from it.

I have had 2 ships survive ganks due to a tanking link. In both cases the ship had 10% hull left. I'm sure it would have exploded if not for the link.

Depends on the ganking party I guess, but still if the tanking module helps I say go for it!
Khadrea Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#17 - 2014-03-28 08:44:23 UTC
Ezra Blade Blade wrote:
ganks in low sec / null sec? we are high sec at this time until we get our protection together-
I feel like this baby would survive until concord showed up..in high sec

Well.. 26 Orcas died during Hulkageddon in 2012, many of those in hisec. Only takes a few of Tier 3 suicide Battlecruisers to down a poorly (cargo) fitted Orca.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#18 - 2014-03-28 11:15:46 UTC
Khadrea Shakor wrote:
Ezra Blade Blade wrote:
ganks in low sec / null sec? we are high sec at this time until we get our protection together-
I feel like this baby would survive until concord showed up..in high sec

Well.. 26 Orcas died during Hulkageddon in 2012, many of those in hisec. Only takes a few of Tier 3 suicide Battlecruisers to down a poorly (cargo) fitted Orca.


Our orca, as with all our ships, has a DC II on it, I think it a must for all ships. The goons have taught us once to not fit max cargo ships in lieu of panzerindustrials. It doesn't matter if you are in 1.0 space, always prepare for the worst and it won't happen.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#19 - 2014-03-29 16:51:52 UTC
I wasn't aware two of the same mining links could be fitted to one Orca. Nevertheless as far as links, MTU, and tractor beams go the best fit providing you have the skill requirements is the one Tau linked above.

The extra EHP provided by the T2 Shield Harmonizing link is more important for the safety of the mining ships in your fleet than the Orca. If you have fitted the Orca out properly then you should have no problems. It is invariably Orca hauling expensive cargo or ships as opposed to Orca providing mining support that get ganked.

Be advised that the use of MTU by miners to collect jetcans has been noted as a weakness that could be exploited. Best policy is to have the mining ships within 2500 metres of the Orca to enable the mining ships to empty ore directly into the fleet hanger. With the mining links at perfect skills you get over 25 kilometre range.This should be plenty enough range for your miners.

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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#20 - 2014-03-29 22:23:27 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
The extra EHP provided by the T2 Shield Harmonizing link is more important for the safety of the mining ships in your fleet than the Orca. If you have fitted the Orca out properly then you should have no problems. It is invariably Orca hauling expensive cargo or ships as opposed to Orca providing mining support that get ganked.
Yeah... no. I see Mining Orcas get ganked (or at least attempted) all the time. Not for profit. For lulz. Why shoot a Retriever when you can harvest juicier tears by popping the Orca? And it's the ones with the Shield links and DCUs that survive those attacks.

Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Be advised that the use of MTU by miners to collect jetcans has been noted as a weakness that could be exploited.
And the reason I often see those Orcas getting attacked is cuz I'm usually messing with the mining groups who are using an MTU. The gank groups target them cuz they tend to be Cargo Exp fitted, and I target them cuz it's fun to bump the Orca and then pop the MTU. (ie. MTUs are generally a bad idea)
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