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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#521 - 2014-03-21 06:04:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Rastaman Stan wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
March has been a difficult month in terms of being able to get on and will get worse over the next two weeks for me due to RL commitments, while Aaron is moving house so has a delay in getting his internet up and running in his new location.

We continued to grow our blue list, furthermore the anti-Aaron coalition of losers from UF-KKH decided to pay us a visit, I logged on to find them in 6Y so setup to kill them to find them jumping out, such is life... So Infinity decided to make it clear that there would be an impact and went to UF-KKH and camped it, bubbling their station great screen dump that and bombing their gate camps killing Dreldor in the process. Because they could not do their risk adverse bubble camping they went to hisec and did some hisec ganking LolRoll They then sent someone to camp us who filled up local with spam, suggesting that I needed to contact his directors, as if camping one system that is normally camped, or camping 6Y bothers us in the slightest, after a couple of days of this he disappeared.

Anyway, still moving on, the only issue is the disbanding of -DD-, it depends where they end up...


Hey Everyone,

This is Aaron logging on as an alt. I have moved into my new place and I will be back playing Eve on Thursday.

I am looking forward to getting back into Hub Zero and it looks as if we have had a small victory with infinity deciding to take on the anti-Aaron coalition and forcing them back to high sec. Very well done there Infinity I am very impressed with this and it is an honor to be working with you on Hub Zero.

DD is disbanding!!!???

If they go their separate ways then it is a good thing for Hub Zero. We will have a few ex StainEmpire/DD corps and pilots in Stain because they are as much devoted to Stain as I am. It is also possible that they are going to create another alliance that will police Stain and own Esoteria/Paragon soul, we will have to see.

Chat soon o/

Pleasure is mine. You'll be pleased to know I identified the main of the person who was spamming and camping 6Y, did a little stalking and managed to pop them afk cloaked off a gate in UF-KKH. There is no such thing as a safe spot, only a safer spot ;)

I think people tend to assume that because we don't subscribe to the kill everything not blue philosophy that that makes us carebears but this is just not true.

Its quite a bit more difficult to operate with non-blues around, not easier, and the potential for spontaneous pvp and axoxxing is much higher. Bluing everyone so that you're almost totally safe is signficantly more care-bearish than what Hub-Zero is doing.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#522 - 2014-03-21 07:59:19 UTC
The proposed changes to reprocessing modules is a massive kick in the nuts for Hub Zero, in one change to the game CCP have cut our mineral production by close to 50%. This means that we become a lot more inefficient at building ships then we were before and it was not exactly fast before hand. The method of belt ratting, salvaging and looting was at the lower end of income generation in null, however it enabled you to be a lot harder to kill if you use our strategies and tactics.

I went through the changes with a number of the people in Hub Zero who have operated long term in Stain, most of which have built their own ships in Stain using loot, so in doing this CCP have reduced our industrial capacity by 50%

If CCP wanted to adjust compression to make it better than using Large Railguns then go ahead and do it, however to destroy this belt ratting profession just so compression is worth doing is very very lame. Module loot has been nerfed again and again, this is the killer blow, RIP belt ratting...

Please CCP think this through!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#523 - 2014-03-22 03:45:55 UTC
so you need miners?

Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#524 - 2014-03-22 15:23:07 UTC
Nevertheless, one of the many benefits of operating out of npc null sec is that one can be adaptable. There are many other tricks which we have up our sleeve which we can fall back upon. Belt ratting is just one of the many ways to make isk, and despite the mineral aspect of ratting taking a hit, blitzing the rats to collect the bounties is still viable, and in fact more profitable using a pure isk / time calculation. Also, one of our members made around ten billion isk recently from a single officer spawn, so you can always get a lucky spawn.

Also I should point out, as Infinity has shown, as we are operating under the radar we can quite easily launch covert attacks at anyone hostile to us and our members. An aggressive local Stain group recently found this out the hard way, with Infinity being able to completely shut down their operations and quite amusingly driving their whole group into high sec single handedly.

Although we are fundamentally looking to the betterment of New Eden, and operate strictly on a Not Hostile Don't Shoot basis, these more destructive capabilities are available to us with multiple cells being able to operate in this way if necessary.

Also, Industry types are always welcome Anomaly One.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#525 - 2014-03-22 21:41:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
I will of course still do it, but its rather annoying, what is evident to me now is that CCP did it to get rid of extra materials and perhaps to try to force people to mine, yeah right, I want to sit in a mining ship in NPC 0.0 and give easy kills, nope I will have to suffer a 50% reduction and grit my teeth over it and hope that hauler spawns don't get removed, wouldn't surprise me if CCP decided to remove them too. Well we have a Jump Freighter so will just have to adjust the approach as needed, its just so annoying to have CCP make belt ratting less attractive when they should be doing the opposite...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#526 - 2014-03-23 16:10:17 UTC
On Friday a HOD character trying to refuel his R64 in TL met Infinity and lost his fuel load, nice one Infinity.

For my part I managed to get on a bit on Saturday, while keeping an eye on things noted a Hand of Despair pilot trying to go after people, though no one told me the ship, then I also got a report of a Hand of Despair Hurricane sitting on the 6Y gate in F-T, needless to say I set up for him, the first HOD pilot came into 6Y and warped to the F-T gate to find one of my toons there so he engaged, he being in a HML drake, so I engaged and then the cane jumps in and I bring in something nice and meaty to smash them, I tell others in channel of the engagement and quite a few respond, though only one of them managed to get on the Drake kill, but he did get the final blow and a good chunk of damage, good one mate...

Then the UF-KKH camper logged on and started saying we were fail, so I just kept linking him the kills I had got recently, it can be funny while doing other things just dropping such stuff in local.

Today in 6Y we have two HOD one of which is an Arazu pilot, here we go yawn BLOPS, and our talkative camper, who strangely is not currently talkative, for my part I will sit in 6Y so they have someone to focus on, and if these HOD give me a chance they too will end up in their pods.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Rikii Rook
Doomheim
#527 - 2014-03-23 20:51:32 UTC
Hey guys, I've been keeping an eye on this thread lately. I have a miner/industry character I've just begun to train and I'm wondering if he would be welcome out there ?
I don't care about dying a lot, ventures are easy to replace. I'm just looking for some fun. Send me a mail when you get a chance.

o7
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#528 - 2014-03-24 02:08:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
Rikii Rook wrote:
Hey guys, I've been keeping an eye on this thread lately. I have a miner/industry character I've just begun to train and I'm wondering if he would be welcome out there ?
I don't care about dying a lot, ventures are easy to replace. I'm just looking for some fun. Send me a mail when you get a chance.

o7


Hey Buddy ,

Sounds great, feel free to join chat channel "hub-zero" and one of the cool dudes there will help you Big smile

There's been lots of debate about mining on this thread, and it's good to see that you are interested in it. I can tell you there are roids as big as stations down here, and they are all yours.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#529 - 2014-03-24 02:25:02 UTC
Yaknow it's great to see this take shape, the economy is coming together nicely and Infinity and Drac seem to be leading the way in PVP with a couple of flawless victories. Earning potential is even better than I thought it would be and I'm hearing we've had an officer spawn worth an astounding 10 billion isk.

Hub Zero has survived and is growing at a very good rate, and it seems Drac is sending a standings update mail every day.

I'd like to give a special welcome to Herzog, I am really looking forward to working with you.

chat soon o/



Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Samwise Everquest
Plus 10 NV
#530 - 2014-03-24 03:09:02 UTC
Pretty cool, I hope it works out. I've always wanted to do the same thing but between Aridia and Delve.

Pras Phil.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#531 - 2014-03-24 10:46:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Unforgiving, the alliance of I hate Aaron people have decided to up their game from totally ineffective to highly ineffective, we have the mouthy camper, plus one of them sitting in 6Y and another in TL, what they do not realise is that TL is quite often camped by Stain Empire and other such people, so we look at TL as a bonus system when its free. Unforgiving are an entity that is very risk adverse as we have already mentioned, however they are competent at holding their space and are getting plenty of kills on Hand of Despair, so while I have contempt for their woeful attempts with us, I will however cheer every kill they get on Hand of Despair around UF-KKH.

The alliance which is made up of ex-STUDS players seem to have setup in the TG-Z23 area which is near to Unforgiving, its still early days from the retreat by HOD and their allies, so far we have only seen limited and ineffectual movements in our direction.

Recent drama was someone from Phobia. getting blue status for himself while his corp/alliance mates shot our guys, while we have blued up people as individuals, we can now only blue up people as individuals if the rest of them operate in their totality elsewhere, so we were forced to set Phobia. -10 because it looks like it was deliberate on their part. I am a little saddened by the typical shoot everything mode of these people when Hand of Despair are coming back to Stain, but no one can accuse gank bears of intelligence, its killboard killboard and killboard.

Still have another week of RL blocakge on my game play, but hopefully soon we will be back to it fully.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Roggle
Tactically Euthanized
#532 - 2014-03-24 12:58:07 UTC
It's sad to see OP chastised for having a dream and the fortitude to attempt it again. It's sad when even in a computer game you lack the imagination to do anything out of the ordinary. OP good luck, I believe in you.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#533 - 2014-03-24 13:02:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Roggle wrote:
It's sad to see OP chastised for having a dream and the fortitude to attempt it again. It's sad when even in a computer game you lack the imagination to do anything out of the ordinary. OP good luck, I believe in you.

Pretty sad that certain people in the game are investing so much time and effort to try to derail the hub with permacamping cyno alts as well. I had to petition one of them yesterday that's been following me around for the last month calling me a pedophile and spewing vile crap in local...

People take the game and how other people play it a little too seriously. I spent a good month afk cloaking and bombing them before they pissed off and apparently I must go back now and do it all over again because they've decided to start round two.

That's the current game though I guess. Alt wars.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#534 - 2014-03-24 18:21:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Roggle wrote:
It's sad to see OP chastised for having a dream and the fortitude to attempt it again. It's sad when even in a computer game you lack the imagination to do anything out of the ordinary. OP good luck, I believe in you.

Pretty sad that certain people in the game are investing so much time and effort to try to derail the hub with permacamping cyno alts as well. I had to petition one of them yesterday that's been following me around for the last month calling me a pedophile and spewing vile crap in local...

People take the game and how other people play it a little too seriously. I spent a good month afk cloaking and bombing them before they pissed off and apparently I must go back now and do it all over again because they've decided to start round two.

That's the current game though I guess. Alt wars.



There's always at least one instalock gate camp on the chain between "deep Stain" and highsec. Luckily being equipped for that plays in my favor.

I can imaging people getting all bent over for SOV or such a response if their SOV was being trespassed on (and admittedly the larger alliances are even more tolerant of that) but this reaction on Stain... something is not right. There was something more going on out there than just playing a game I think.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#535 - 2014-03-24 19:21:27 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


The alliance which is made up of ex-STUDS players seem to have setup in the TG-Z23 area which is near to Unforgiving, its still early days from the retreat by HOD and their allies, so far we have only seen limited and ineffectual movements in our direction.



When I started Hub-Zero I was kicked from STUDS because they were getting lots of pressure from Stainwagon. STUDS are a very cool set of guys and I have lots of respect for them. I did say to the leader of STUDS that they could join the Hub if things didn't work out in Paragon soul, the offer still stands.

STUDS are mainly US guys with a few guys from Europe. I'd like to reach out to them to see if we can get them onboard. Unforgiving are very good at pvp and it is possible that STUDS will be their targets, also HOD may not honour anything with ex-STUDS.




Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#536 - 2014-03-24 20:12:11 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Roggle wrote:
It's sad to see OP chastised for having a dream and the fortitude to attempt it again. It's sad when even in a computer game you lack the imagination to do anything out of the ordinary. OP good luck, I believe in you.

Pretty sad that certain people in the game are investing so much time and effort to try to derail the hub with permacamping cyno alts as well. I had to petition one of them yesterday that's been following me around for the last month calling me a pedophile and spewing vile crap in local...

People take the game and how other people play it a little too seriously. I spent a good month afk cloaking and bombing them before they pissed off and apparently I must go back now and do it all over again because they've decided to start round two.

That's the current game though I guess. Alt wars.



There's always at least one instalock gate camp on the chain between "deep Stain" and highsec. Luckily being equipped for that plays in my favor.

I can imaging people getting all bent over for SOV or such a response if their SOV was being trespassed on (and admittedly the larger alliances are even more tolerant of that) but this reaction on Stain... something is not right. There was something more going on out there than just playing a game I think.


Thanks for believing in me Roggle, I will always endeavor to back the cool guys in this game and do what ever is needed to ensure Hub-Zero is a success.

Infinity, you and I are very much alike. It has been a long hard slog getting Hub-Zero running and because of the nature of what you and I do we will always have people spending their entire Eve experience following us around trying to manipulate and destroy us. I've had some terrible things said to me over the years and now I just put it down to these people are desperate for my attention. I've made mistakes and gotten down in the mud and fought with these people. I have even been cautioned by the good folk at CCP, I see now that I should not have responded.

Herzog, I agree that there is much more going on here than just a game, its difficult to put my finger on it. Eve online is a great experience, I am hell-bent on building Hub-Zero and others are hell-bent on destroying it. I guess its just about balance within a universe, the fact that this is virtual is irrelevant. This is a battle of minds more than anything.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#537 - 2014-03-24 20:28:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Dracvlad wrote:
stuff about reprocessing nerf
Please CCP think this through!


What, you still haven't gotten another JF? Might be time to start convoying BS hulls through w-space. Or itty5's full of railguns.

Its actually a rather elegant change, even considering all the implications. Definitely not good for groups like yours, however.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#538 - 2014-03-24 21:51:51 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
stuff about reprocessing nerf
Please CCP think this through!


What, you still haven't gotten another JF? Might be time to start convoying BS hulls through w-space. Or itty5's full of railguns.

Its actually a rather elegant change, even considering all the implications. Definitely not good for groups like yours, however.


Well actually we do...

In terms of the changes, I don't like thta advantage given to sov 0.0 in terms of 2.5% extra profit so they can knock hisec out of the game so to speak, that is an error by CCP. As for sov 0.0 mining they do need to put in hidden belts again. The amount of nerf to module reprocessing is just sad, 0.0 belt ratting is viable, but it makes no sense to make it even worse to that degree, it was I think their way to get rid of extra materials, its like knocking out a gant with a shotgun. A bitter vet who left the game told me that after a while of palying the game CCP will do something that makes you gasp, well that is the third one for me and the worst, he no longer plays because of it.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#539 - 2014-03-25 00:10:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
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Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#540 - 2014-03-25 00:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
Batelle wrote:

Its actually a rather elegant change, even considering all the implications. Definitely not good for groups like yours, however.


I think you are wrong. I've had a few miners contact me recently and they are ready to come down. The recent change has made some hi-sec miners saddle up and come down here in order to help fill the gap in minerals. Any change that results in more players coming here must be a good thing. Now it is our job to support these miners and keep them safe. Obviously miners have been watching this thread and they have seen the recent changes have created an opportunity for them.

You underestimate our ability to adapt to any scenario. I might even saddle up a venture and join them.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie