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Reprocessing Change = Ratting / Mission Nerf ???
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Mike Right
hirr
The Initiative.
#1 - 2014-03-23 20:44:26 UTC
Reading through the devblog about the incoming reprocessing changes I figured out that refinery on modules is going to be
-45% . That means basicly that pve loot will decrease in price by 45% because 99% of all ratting / mission / meta loot is mineral value curently :


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As we write those words, we feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were definitely not silenced. Are you afraid you are going to get your favorite profession killed because of CCP? Stay calm. Don’t panic and read what’s below.
[....]
So, take the blue pill and sit on the sofa over there. Stretch your legs for a bit. Want a baguette? A glass of Bordeaux? Relax, we have you covered. We know about the consequences of decreasing reprocessing rates – they are mentioned, tackled and solved later in this blog, which is why we strongly encourage you to fully read it.




that sounds like a potential ninja nerf to me

or is CCP actually going to increase the base minerals on all meta modules besides the productionable t1 modules that dont drop by NPCs ???
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-03-23 21:10:23 UTC
So im going to guess that since the high meta weapons and modules are just useless on market then? No, if you sell them on market like everyone else you wont lose much in earnings. All the modules still have higher value as a complete object rather than the minerals.

There are other ways to get money from lott than through reprocessed minerals.
Rahh Serves
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-03-23 21:11:10 UTC
i dont mind if loot gets a nerf

since i m a miner and we get also a nerf if we live in empire
Mike Right
hirr
The Initiative.
#4 - 2014-03-23 21:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike Right
Rowells wrote:
So im going to guess that since the high meta weapons and modules are just useless on market then? No, if you sell them on market like everyone else you wont lose much in earnings. All the modules still have higher value as a complete object rather than the minerals.

go ahead and reprocess 3bil estimated value loot when you picked the few items that are actually really rare and usefull out of it : those are 425mm gauss and maybe medium fs-9 shield extenders in guristas space -

afterwards check mineral value and you wont notice a change - is that luck ?? no it isnt : no1 is using those immense ammounts of named smartbombs, mwd's meta 1 guns , meta 1 shield extenders , and that drop to the thousands of carebears.
The ammounts are nowhere in relation to reflect the ammounts that get used on ships


Furthermore as a consequence of that change CCP will remove trillions of isk in minerals in that loot that people just have sitting around not aware of that they should reprocess them all pre patch or they need to live with the new value

the need of a rebalance of mineral values is getting reflected aswell in the price of guns for example : how can a t1 version reward more minerals than a better ( higher meta level ) gun
Ayumi Uchida
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-03-25 02:46:34 UTC
But look at all the Amazing game play this change creates!!! You have now a better reason to uhhh... specialize in reprocessing!!! Hours, no YEARS of entertainment! Roll
Ella Echerie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-03-25 03:18:12 UTC
Meta 1-3 modules will take a hit. The value of these was quite insignificant compared to overall mission/ratting rewards so the nerf will be slight at most. A slight reactive rise in mineral prices will offset this slightly. We may also see the value of these items rise in the future through the speculated upcoming "module tiercide".

Meta 4 modules (and a good few meta 3s) will still be worth lots because they generally aren't reprocessed.

Mining will possibly see a slight increase in value.

Reprocessing skills and faction standings are becoming more meaningful. A couple of broken mechanics are also being addressed. These are good things.

The pinch on mission runners and ratters will be slight, most of their income will still come from bountys/tags/LPs/meta4s.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#7 - 2014-03-25 03:36:25 UTC
yeah, if u almost blanket reprocess ur stuff from missions, u will be wasting more.

if ur more careful about how u handle ur loot, u will still experience a nerf, but not that much of a nerf. time to train those trade skills or have a guy in ur corp specialise in sorting loot. contract him ur loot for isks and let him do the work. that way ur corp gets minerals and half decent equipment to use or sell.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-03-25 04:26:40 UTC
There will be a ripple effect to this and it will hurt T1 modules the worst, they already have there price set in stone, unlike meta 1-4 modules which are all supply and demand.

Even meta 1 is superior to T1 but meta 1 often gets reprocessed, with the changes the market will flood with meta 1-3 modules with an estimated minimum price of 55% the total mineral value, and the mineral value of an individual meta 1-4 module is far below that of a T1 module.

Sufice to say T1 is getting kicked in the metaphorcial balls because of this.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Emiko Rowna
Keys To The Stars
#9 - 2014-03-25 08:18:19 UTC
Not looking forward to flying around and gathering everything up before patch.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#10 - 2014-03-25 08:20:53 UTC
This was just another planned attack on anyone who loots missions, (and yes, null sec anom's too).
The null sec cartel leaders have removed yet another income stream that they can't control.
Emiko Rowna
Keys To The Stars
#11 - 2014-03-25 09:03:44 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
This was just another planned attack on anyone who loots missions, (and yes, null sec anom's too).
The null sec cartel leaders have removed yet another income stream that they can't control.


Can't have those silly pilots doing anything but Fleets.
Emiko Rowna
Keys To The Stars
#12 - 2014-03-25 09:09:28 UTC
So how will the nerf to low end loot impact new players? I can't believe it will be good.
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#13 - 2014-03-25 13:05:34 UTC
IMPORTANT: there is nothing ninja about the nerf it's all deliberate about obvious and stands out like a sore thumb
Gabriel Elarik
Celestiel Rams
#14 - 2014-03-25 13:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Gabriel Elarik
i like the nerf its ok since minerals get a price hit as well if get it right most 0.0 allis will buy ore to press
also they get a reason to upgrade the stations and the other outpost can refine as well i dont see anything bad in it

i always wondered why can any station in empire refine and the outposts not
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#15 - 2014-03-25 19:06:22 UTC
I am not too happy about the devaluing of scrap metal processing. I dont generally call for refunds but it seems like they should cut most if not all the prereq out of it, refund the tree and let those with no interest in that part of industry that trained just for scrapmetal reallocate those points to something worthwhile.

That isnt to say it does not deserve a look and update, or that all the changes are bad... but for people like me with no interest beyond making the occasional ship to try something new in industry the train for Scrapmetal Processing just got a massive kick in the nuts.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#16 - 2014-03-25 19:50:41 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The null sec cartel leaders...


Would you be so kind as to list the names of these "cartel" leaders, please?

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