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Bastion modual missile balance
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Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2014-03-23 14:17:42 UTC
since all bastion weapons get a range buff, there all balance is this regard

but missiles didn't get a tracking buff like the rest.

so bastion module should also provide a 25% bonus to Target painter effectiveness
this will help to buff the missiles more than turrets, providing a better balance between the turret tracking bonus and missiles lack of bonus

Tdlr
Give bastion a 25% bonus to target painter effective ness
Mund Richard
#2 - 2014-03-23 14:26:27 UTC
Since it does not give a tracking buff for guns...
Besides, if it gave a TP bonus, gunships and fleetmates would benefit just as well, so it should be missile explosion radius/speed.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Lina Theist
Running out of Space
EDGE Alliance
#3 - 2014-03-23 14:29:26 UTC
Ncc 1709 wrote:
since all bastion weapons get a range buff, there all balance is this regard

but missiles didn't get a tracking buff like the rest.

so bastion module should also provide a 25% bonus to Target painter effectiveness
this will help to buff the missiles more than turrets, providing a better balance between the turret tracking bonus and missiles lack of bonus

Tdlr
Give bastion a 25% bonus to target painter effective ness


Does bastion give a tracking bonus?
Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-03-23 14:50:11 UTC
Lina Theist wrote:
Ncc 1709 wrote:
since all bastion weapons get a range buff, there all balance is this regard

but missiles didn't get a tracking buff like the rest.

so bastion module should also provide a 25% bonus to Target painter effectiveness
this will help to buff the missiles more than turrets, providing a better balance between the turret tracking bonus and missiles lack of bonus

Tdlr
Give bastion a 25% bonus to target painter effective ness


Does bastion give a tracking bonus?


Well, not a tracking buff, but you could argue like this:

Bastion for turrets:

- increased range
- better hit quality through more optimal/Falloff

Bastion for missiles:

- increase range


HOWEVER, it's intended to be that way. Missiles and turrets both have their advantages and are balanced arround that.

So,
-1 from me.
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#5 - 2014-03-23 15:16:52 UTC
Ncc 1709 wrote:
since all bastion weapons get a range buff, there all balance is this regard
but missiles didn't get a tracking buff like the rest.

Optimal and falloff isn't a tracking buff, sorry. But the Golem could get a +5% damage bonus instead of the 7.5% target painter effectiveness bonus...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-03-23 15:17:59 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Ncc 1709 wrote:
since all bastion weapons get a range buff, there all balance is this regard
but missiles didn't get a tracking buff like the rest.

Optimal and falloff isn't a tracking buff, sorry. But the Golem could get a +5% damage bonus instead of the 7.5% target painter effectiveness bonus...


Don't mess with ma painters, bro. Go AWAY Evil
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#7 - 2014-03-23 15:24:52 UTC
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
Don't mess with ma painters, bro. Go AWAY Evil

Real missile players don't need target painters. Twisted

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Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-03-23 15:27:31 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
Don't mess with ma painters, bro. Go AWAY Evil

Real missile players don't need target painters. Twisted


bu..bu..bu...but what should I fit into those slots then? Shocked Tripple-Prop? Sad
Mund Richard
#9 - 2014-03-23 15:30:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
Bastion for turrets:
- increased range
- better hit quality through more optimal/Falloff

Bastion for missiles:
- increase range


HOWEVER, it's intended to be that way. Missiles and turrets both have their advantages and are balanced arround that.


Wait a sec...

Turrets get better hit quality through more optimal/falloff, the two of which together are the range of a turret (think of ACs with 4km optimal and something like ten times as much falloff with proper modules on some ships).

Missiles get increased range, which is also increased hit quality (going from 0% damage to 100% is quite a buff, wouldn't you agree?Blink)

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#10 - 2014-03-23 15:35:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
bu..bu..bu...but what should I fit into those slots then? Shocked Tripple-Prop? Sad

More shield modules. I am personally not a fan of the Golem (or Marauders, for that matter) because they're light on tank - heavy on gank (as in magnet). Navy Scorpion with 380k EHP tank for the win...

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stoicfaux
#11 - 2014-03-23 16:12:52 UTC
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
Don't mess with ma painters, bro. Go AWAY Evil

Real missile players don't need target painters. Twisted


bu..bu..bu...but what should I fit into those slots then? Shocked Tripple-Prop? Sad

Sensor boosters so you can lock (and then kill) things faster.

As for replacing the TP bonus with a damage bonus, if the raw damage is enough to equal out the loss in applied damage from TPs, then I would be okay with it.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#12 - 2014-03-23 16:20:25 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Sensor boosters so you can lock (and then kill) things faster. As for replacing the TP bonus with a damage bonus, if the raw damage is enough to equal out the loss in applied damage from TPs, then I would be okay with it.

That's what FoFs are for… It would be, but I'm not optimistic we'll ever see it. We argued the point in the original Marauders thread about all the others getting damage bonuses, but to no avail.

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