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High Sec Miners just got completely Buffed by CCP

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Volar Kang
Kang Industrial
#41 - 2014-03-22 16:27:22 UTC
A better refine rate is not enough to make most people in null stop ratting or running anomalies where the profit is much higher. The compression change just makes it easier to ship minerals up from high. I don't really see any change coming in the null play style from this patch. Most people in null would rather drink gasoline than mine. Except for a brief spike in mineral prices by people who don't understand the changes, I don't see much of anything changing as a result of this patch.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2014-03-22 16:39:05 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Or just a bunch of newbros trying to make a little isk?

-People who can't blitz em for one reason or another.
-Newbros squeezing every ISK.
-Bored people.
-People who don't know any better.
-People with OCD.

No offence intended to any of them, but its generally not worth it, and its about to get even less worthwhile with the proposed reprocessing efficiency changes.

Mission blitzing has been due for a nerf now. It won't surprise me when looting becomes viable due to an 'adjustment' on how missions are run. I doubt CCP will let ships like the Noctis go obsolete.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.

Real Serious PVPer
Doomheim
#43 - 2014-03-22 16:43:42 UTC
Nerf missions- PVP is all that matters.

[b] Serious about being serious- Putting the "P "into PVP one fight at a time.  MUFC[/b]

Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#44 - 2014-03-22 17:10:01 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
high sec miners, being buffed by needing a pos for compression or having to refine at lower rates to feasibly transport their goods, or accept lower prices selling locally.

these refining changes aren't really a buff to high sec miners, really. in fact, the impact on high sec miners is minimal and doesn't even affect the "mining" part of being a miner.


Whether the proposed changes to refining & reprocessing take place and whether they turn out to be a buff or a nerf to high sec miners remains to be seen and is largely in the hands of the nullsec community. The nullsec industrialists are being forced by CCP to drop their current favoured method of providing minerals (Construction/purchase and reprocessing of railguns onsite.) in favour of two other possible methods.

1) Mine as much of the minerals they require as possible in nullsec and refine them in nullsec.

2) Buy compressed minerals in high sec or set up POSes in high sec then buy ore, compress at their POSes in high sec and JF out to null sec.

The nullsec community have supposedly been asking for better refining options in nullsec for ages. But then we also get the perception that the null sec community feel miners everywhere are a waste of space, scum, and parasites etc. So will the null sec community start mining in a big way in 'the deep blue' Question

To the second option. Another guy replying to the OP has mentioned compression of ice. I don't think this will be where 'the ISK' will be at as nullsec has better ice in larger quantities. They don't need to bother with high sec ice reserves. Having said that there may be big business in compressed ice coming out of null sec into high sec to fuel the ore compression POSes in high sec.

Following the introduction of POCOs into high sec space we have had an influx of nullsec entities taking control of many former CONCORD controlled customs offices. Will the nullsec community enter border regions of high sec systems near trade hubs and start setting up masses of ore compressing POSes Question

It could go either way but I think my money would go on the second option. Expect quite a bit of conflict involving null sec entities declaring wardecs on research POS owning corporations near the trade hubs followed by them setting up ore compressing POSes.

Both options appear to suggest high sec miners will suffer a nerf to their income as the null sec compressors will require unrefined ore rather than minerals. If the first method was taken up in a big way then it would be a case of less demand for minerals or ore and a fall in prices.

Of course manufacturing will continue as always in high sec to serve many markets in high, low, null, & WH space. In recent times we have seen a fair increase in mineral and unrefined ore prices as a result of many recent large conflicts in null sec. This to be welcomed by manufacturers and miners......well miners anyway. Big smile But the changes the latest blog will bring will probably bring an end to the recent good times.

Actually I have forgotten to consider the cost of POS fuel required for the ore compressing POSes which would have to be passed on from the miner/compressor to the manufacturer then onto the end user/customer. There could be an 'added value' factor here to take into account which could add the cost of POS fuel used plus an additional sum as the product is of superior quality.

There is much for speculators to muse over as to what will happen. We will have to wait and see. Since POCOs were introduced into high sec there has been a perception if not a reality that a percentage of industrialists no longer do Planetary Interaction. Whether pilots leave the mining profession as a result of these changes remains to be seen.

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .

Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#45 - 2014-03-22 17:25:12 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Or just a bunch of newbros trying to make a little isk?

-People who can't blitz em for one reason or another.
-Newbros squeezing every ISK.
-Bored people.
-People who don't know any better.
-People with OCD.

No offence intended to any of them, but its generally not worth it, and its about to get even less worthwhile with the proposed reprocessing efficiency changes.

Mission blitzing has been due for a nerf now. It won't surprise me when looting becomes viable due to an 'adjustment' on how missions are run. I doubt CCP will let ships like the Noctis go obsolete.


I hadn't considered the Noctis either. Manufacturers will still need the salvage materials though to make rigs for ships. So the Noctis will still be used. Actually I know other pilots who do missions and use spreadsheets to work out which loot items to reprocess and which items to sell on in the NPC market. So I expect there are probably more pilots dealing in and using loot items from missions than you or others may perceive there to be.

Actually when changes of this sort are proposed by CCP I personally feel we should be discussing QEN type statistics with Dr Eyjo on the forum. I read someone mentioning that CCP/Dr Eyjo thought speculators/manufacturers were using QEN statistics for 'evil means' or to subvert the market and that this was the reason for not providing that material to capsuleers anymore. But I really miss the QENs. Cry

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#46 - 2014-03-22 22:55:39 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Or just a bunch of newbros trying to make a little isk?

-People who can't blitz em for one reason or another.
-Newbros squeezing every ISK.
-Bored people.
-People who don't know any better.
-People with OCD.

No offence intended to any of them, but its generally not worth it, and its about to get even less worthwhile with the proposed reprocessing efficiency changes.

Mission blitzing has been due for a nerf now. It won't surprise me when looting becomes viable due to an 'adjustment' on how missions are run. I doubt CCP will let ships like the Noctis go obsolete.


I hadn't considered the Noctis either. Manufacturers will still need the salvage materials though to make rigs for ships. So the Noctis will still be used. Actually I know other pilots who do missions and use spreadsheets to work out which loot items to reprocess and which items to sell on in the NPC market. So I expect there are probably more pilots dealing in and using loot items from missions than you or others may perceive there to be.

Actually when changes of this sort are proposed by CCP I personally feel we should be discussing QEN type statistics with Dr Eyjo on the forum. I read someone mentioning that CCP/Dr Eyjo thought speculators/manufacturers were using QEN statistics for 'evil means' or to subvert the market and that this was the reason for not providing that material to capsuleers anymore. But I really miss the QENs. Cry


I too would love to see the return of the QEN.

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