EVE General Discussion

Renting will get fixed when either sov gets fixed, or a temporary bandaide if CCP dumps 5 new massive NPC nullsec systems into the game.

If you don't like people renting space then form an Alliance, kick out the people who own the space and don't rent it out.

Wait.. wait... you want to take one of the best things about eve and change it?

You want to take the single universe, where everyone plays together, where I don't have to go 'dude come play eve but join the orion server man.. oh your on terra? well delete and come to orion" and make it so I have to go "dude come join orion no alpha centori!" Really? that is your soultion?

I can't believe I am about to say this, but as the single server is pretty much one of the biggest reasons I have played eve for so damn long... GTFO and go back to WoW

You know, I've known fellows who would think that if they didn't chase every skirt they could get within voice distance of, they would wake up magically gay the next day, shout "faaabulous" and start decorating the house or something.

I watched them ruin relationships and marriages because...


SOMETHING CONVINCED THEM


... of this thing whereby if they didn't chase every skirt they saw it meant they were not men or "going gay".

(I never saw this false viewpoint applied in Scotland however I imagine it would not go down well there).



What does this have to do with the thread?



Note the part I put in all caps.


Something is convincing people that "nullsec is the thing". So much the thing, that being a renter is somehow a good thing.


Yet, much like chasing skirts and wrecking one's own personal life on some strange notion, those of us who look at nullsec from outside the box and consider the ramifications of.. renting... can't see the magic in it. It looks like work - having to pay that rent and all that - when there are so many other options for ISK.

Funny how the same people who may be renters themselves endlessly complain that highsec has too much ISK in it.

What is it then?

There's just too much propaganda and BS going on. Maybe some nullsec systems are worth it, and others not. Who knows?


But I get the impression that renting is merely a transient (no pun intended) thing whereby people go into renting thinking that:

- it's a huge magical ISK fountain
- it's LEET PVP and leaving highsec means you are a leet PVPer and give license to point back at highsec and look down at everybody who is not in nullsec.
- it's playing the game the way it should be played: with company.

But how long does the bloom last on the rose? On the outside, those of us who like to trespass and do what we like see this differently:
- It's NOT a huge ISK fountain nor guaranteed and then there's rent to pay.
- the LEET PVP is gate camping
- company in the game means nerd-rage, undue drama, backstabbing and all the other wonderful trappings of a declining civilization that had us staying home on the weekend and playing video games in the first place


So, if you want to put an end to this renting thing, it's more of an educational move.

Why is there such a herd?

For the same reason that every major city has a rush hour twice a day with the same people in it at the same time, day after day, year after year.

So whoever is in control of the information is the culprit. I can think of a large nullsec block that has enough people in it to spread a lot of lies to a lot of other players in the forums and out.


Destroy these lies and renting is reduced. I would be curious to see what the present "turnover" of renters is. I don't imagine that individual players are really gung ho about "keeping their corp out there". I think most of them are in it for themselves and when their status is pressed, it falls apart and they end up back in highsec farming with tengus.

Having that many super capitals for that number of characters seems unnecessary. I suppose a few spares never hurt.

So what's the problem?

When you take sov, you pay "rent" to CCP, and you have to defend it yourself and all that jazz. Like POCOs, that control is handed over to players. Now instead of paying your rent to CCP, you can pay it to an alliance, and they handle all of the nasty warfare side of it for you. If you don't want to rent from players, you'll need to be big enough to fend off attackers and take sov (like taking a POCO).

Little crybaby! Don't like it? Then like everybody else has already told you, just do something about it! Take their Sov from them. And you already know how to do it. You stated it yourself. Just get yourself a bunch of friends and of course plenty of SuperCaps. Cuz let's face it, in today's EvE, you can't really take large amounts of space without SCs. So just go build yourself a bunch. 'Course to do that you'll need Sov. So just go take some Sov and build your SCs so you can... take some Sov..... erm. Right. There seems to be a problem here..... hmmmm.

But whatev. Fact is, it's YOUR fault. You're just a whiny pubbie scrublord ******** yadda yadda yadda (insert more generic insults).

**** Edited by Flidais, while your point is valid, try and make it in a less ranty possibly whiny way next time ****

It wouldn't be too hard for CCP to add a bunch of new solar systems to the map. Been arguing for that for years.

You know what the point of having different areas of space with different mechanics is?

It's so that there is variety.

You know what making nullsec work just like wspace would do?

Eliminate variety.


The current situation is a result of the fact that there is no compelling alternative. There is no reason not to take as much space as you possibly can and in fact doing so is the optimal choice, as there are no mechanics, no incentives, no rewards for choosing to hold a smaller footprint. The wealth and thus of ones empire is directly related to its size, so those who try to (or are forced to) stay small have died out. Create the means to make maintaining a smaller but far more developed area of space competitive and you'll be a long way towards changing it.

Don't be so negative, eve imitates life in respect of any large alliances or communities of like
minded sheep. They will succumb to simple physics in collapsing in on themselves.

You should work off the negativity and go **** with their **** to help the process.