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PLEX prices need reviewing UK vs US

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Othran
Route One
#21 - 2014-03-21 07:41:37 UTC
Unfortunately the VAT excuse is bollox as Amazon UK do not pay VAT in the UK on digital purchases. They pay VAT in Luxembourg.

Nor in fact do CCP pay VAT in the UK if you purchase PLEX directly from them. Nor do they pay VAT on monthly subs in the UK.

Anyone want to try some more nonsense excuses for UK peeps being ripped off?

Do try to make more of an effort though, the "tax" excuse has been done to death dozens of times Roll
Radgette
EVE Irn Bru Distribution
#22 - 2014-03-21 08:21:40 UTC
Othran wrote:
Unfortunately the VAT excuse is bollox as Amazon UK do not pay VAT in the UK on digital purchases. They pay VAT in Luxembourg.

Nor in fact do CCP pay VAT in the UK if you purchase PLEX directly from them. Nor do they pay VAT on monthly subs in the UK.

Anyone want to try some more nonsense excuses for UK peeps being ripped off?

Do try to make more of an effort though, the "tax" excuse has been done to death dozens of times Roll


Ye it's the same with EVE source, the nonsense you have to pay 20% VAT thats why it's more expensive than US.

well excuse me but the UK has 0% VAT on books so ye thats a lie :P
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-03-21 09:02:24 UTC
It was definitely a culture shock for me when I visited the US, and found out that the prices on the shelves wasn't the price you get charged because you add tax after (disclaimer - this was Miami, no idea if that's the same rules everywhere). How do you guys live like that? I'm good at maths, but it seemed really wierd to have to do sums in your head to figure out what you actually are going to be paying.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-03-21 09:06:30 UTC
Ultimately its market forces - people will pay what they will pay, and if they wont pay, the price will change. Is it fair? Maybe not, but that's life for you. Maybe I'm just jaded, and accepted we pay higher for everything than in the US or mainland Europe, but its not something I let bother me any more. The day it bother me again, is the day I move Smile
I Riven I
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-03-21 14:57:48 UTC
I never give any money to CCP.

And if I couldnt play this game without paying, then I would simply not play it.
Rainbow Dash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-03-21 15:15:42 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
It was definitely a culture shock for me when I visited the US, and found out that the prices on the shelves wasn't the price you get charged because you add tax after (disclaimer - this was Miami, no idea if that's the same rules everywhere). How do you guys live like that? I'm good at maths, but it seemed really wierd to have to do sums in your head to figure out what you actually are going to be paying.


Well, the math is pretty simple. Plus, you just throw everything on a credit card, no one carries cash, so 7 cents on the dollar (where I live) isn't really a big deal.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-03-21 15:25:19 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
It was definitely a culture shock for me when I visited the US, and found out that the prices on the shelves wasn't the price you get charged because you add tax after (disclaimer - this was Miami, no idea if that's the same rules everywhere). How do you guys live like that? I'm good at maths, but it seemed really wierd to have to do sums in your head to figure out what you actually are going to be paying.


Sales tax. We pay a value added tax yet in the US.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2014-03-21 15:35:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Othran wrote:
Unfortunately the VAT excuse is bollox as Amazon UK do not pay VAT in the UK on digital purchases. They pay VAT in Luxembourg.
…and yet they pay VAT, which is added onto the price.

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Anyone want to try some more nonsense excuses for UK peeps being ripped off?
None of the ones given so far have been nonsense. You just don't like the reality of the EU market.
It's been “done to death” because that's the reason prices are higher — there's no point in altering the answer when the answer is correct.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-03-21 17:36:09 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
ZippyDoDo wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Crap. Stumbled onto the Amazon.com forums again.



I really need to watch where I click.

Valid issue which if has been posted before, obviously has not been addressed.


I agree wholeheartedly. My misclicking issue has been posted about before and I have failed to address it. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I understand that my stumbling into random sites has become a burden for some people, and rest assured that we have top men looking into it.

Fabulous! I look forward to your presence being more finely targeted towards the eve forums, allowing me maximum enjoyment of my time there! Tis' a sad day when I do not read an Unsuccessful At Everything post because it moved to amazon.

Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
It was definitely a culture shock for me when I visited the US, and found out that the prices on the shelves wasn't the price you get charged because you add tax after (disclaimer - this was Miami, no idea if that's the same rules everywhere). How do you guys live like that? I'm good at maths, but it seemed really wierd to have to do sums in your head to figure out what you actually are going to be paying.

Depends on where you live, (different areas have different sales taxes, and some have none at all) adding 10% is usually pretty safe though. Most areas are 5-10% from my (admittedly limited) experience.

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Pew Terror
All of it
#30 - 2014-03-21 18:34:55 UTC
If you found a cheaper shop, buy from the cheaper shop.
It's not like your account only works with "UK PLEX".

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Usagi Toshiro
Null Tax Crew
#31 - 2014-03-21 19:06:54 UTC
In the US each state sets its own Sales tax, usually between 6% and 9% for most commercial items. (Many states also have an income tax.) Some states, such as New Hampsire and Montana, do not have sales tax. In those states what you see advertised you pay at the counter. (NH gets you on property taxes though, wicked high rents/mortgages.)

I don't think the prices need a review but an added layer of transparancy explaining any applied tax would help to clear this up.

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Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-03-21 19:13:27 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
It was definitely a culture shock for me when I visited the US, and found out that the prices on the shelves wasn't the price you get charged because you add tax after (disclaimer - this was Miami, no idea if that's the same rules everywhere). How do you guys live like that? I'm good at maths, but it seemed really wierd to have to do sums in your head to figure out what you actually are going to be paying.


I actually prefer it this way; it serves as a constant reminder of how much of our money the government takes. This is something more people should conisder every time they step into a voting booth.

Believe me, the US government would be drastically different today if instead of having our income tax directly deducted from our paychecks, everyone had to write out a check for the full amount each year. A lot of people don't care enough about politics to get involved, but as soon as you point out how much of their money is really going to the government, they start to care real quick!

/off-topic soapbox
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-03-21 19:20:56 UTC
Hoshi Sorano wrote:
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
It was definitely a culture shock for me when I visited the US, and found out that the prices on the shelves wasn't the price you get charged because you add tax after (disclaimer - this was Miami, no idea if that's the same rules everywhere). How do you guys live like that? I'm good at maths, but it seemed really wierd to have to do sums in your head to figure out what you actually are going to be paying.


I actually prefer it this way; it serves as a constant reminder of how much of our money the government takes. This is something more people should conisder every time they step into a voting booth.

Believe me, the US government would be drastically different today if instead of having our income tax directly deducted from our paychecks, everyone had to write out a check for the full amount each year. A lot of people don't care enough about politics to get involved, but as soon as you point out how much of their money is really going to the government, they start to care real quick!

/off-topic soapbox


And everybody would default at year end because keeping money is too hard for some people. Tax right on the paycheck is a sure way to make people able to pay their taxes.

On topic : Go ***** at Amazon as they are the ones setting the prices like that, not CCP.
Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2014-03-21 19:32:25 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
It's because the US dollar is worth three small rocks or a pair of smelly socks lately.


Let me introduce you to something called a "Peso"...

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Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-03-21 19:37:15 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Hoshi Sorano wrote:
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
It was definitely a culture shock for me when I visited the US, and found out that the prices on the shelves wasn't the price you get charged because you add tax after (disclaimer - this was Miami, no idea if that's the same rules everywhere). How do you guys live like that? I'm good at maths, but it seemed really wierd to have to do sums in your head to figure out what you actually are going to be paying.


I actually prefer it this way; it serves as a constant reminder of how much of our money the government takes. This is something more people should conisder every time they step into a voting booth.

Believe me, the US government would be drastically different today if instead of having our income tax directly deducted from our paychecks, everyone had to write out a check for the full amount each year. A lot of people don't care enough about politics to get involved, but as soon as you point out how much of their money is really going to the government, they start to care real quick!

/off-topic soapbox


And everybody would default at year end because keeping money is too hard for some people. Tax right on the paycheck is a sure way to make people able to pay their taxes.


Oh, I won't disagree wtih that, and that's one major reason why it won't change. I'm just saying that if more people were aware of what they were really paying, it would make a difference in the way they involved themselves in their government. I just know too many people who only pay attention to the couple hundred dollars they have to shell out at tax time, or who get excited about a refund (which is money that belonged to them the whole time, but which the government had use of for a year interest-free).

And now I'm really veering off topic, and straight into the ditch.... sorry for the detour, I hope you fastened your seatbelts!
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-03-21 20:04:12 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
It's because the US dollar is worth three small rocks or a pair of smelly socks lately.


Let me introduce you to something called a "Peso"...


Just introduce your friend to mine "Iranian Rial".
Real Serious PVPer
Doomheim
#37 - 2014-03-21 20:18:59 UTC
Prob due to the weekend roam I have planned in EU TZ this Friday and Saturday. Happens a lot to be honest.
Once word gets out I'm on a roam then plex spikes.

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Koun
Hideaway Alts
The Hideaway.
#38 - 2014-03-21 21:11:47 UTC
The people who say this is only because of VAT should do the math, would mean you pay almost 50% VAT and it's nowhere near that high anywhere in the EU. Really don't see how that's supposed to explain anything?What?
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2014-03-21 21:14:06 UTC  |  Edited by: TigerXtrm
ZippyDoDo wrote:
Currently on amazon from CCP...

US customers only - 6 x PLEX - $104 = £62

UK customers - 6 x PLEX = £90

For those bad at math that's a difference of £28

This needs reviewing.



If only there was some way to buy stuff from Amazon while pretending to live in the US, thus being able to play in Dollars...

Oh sh*t did I say that out loud? Lol

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Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
#40 - 2014-03-21 22:29:34 UTC
Koun wrote:
The people who say this is only because of VAT should do the math, would mean you pay almost 50% VAT and it's nowhere near that high anywhere in the EU. Really don't see how that's supposed to explain anything?What?


Amazon may also be passing on other expenses to customers. Things in Europe tend to be more expensive then in the US so Amazon may have higher operating costs in the EU. Griping to CCP is silly anyway as Amazon is a third party retailer and after they buy the PLEX from CCP it's up to Amazon how much they charge, so complain about Amazon prices too Amazon.
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