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Proteus: Gunfighter. Pls Advise

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Leokokim
Mining Industry Exile Foundation
Synergy of Steel
#21 - 2014-03-19 22:41:57 UTC
In the (sad) case Mizhir is wrong and you are looking for a kiting fit, smth. like this should work in a small gang:

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[Proteus, Rail Kiting]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Dark Blood Warp Scrambler

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Dissonic Encoding Platform
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Oh and to keep on the keep the derailing going: Deimos is good, l2p
Fenris Orion
Strata Victoria
Of Essence
#22 - 2014-03-19 23:37:59 UTC
Mizhir wrote:
So you are bashing the Deimos for being an expensive KM and horrible at killing stuff, while your own proteus suffers from the exact same things, but only worse? And then calls it a KM whoring ship while your proteus will not work witout any support. Lol, just lol.

The railgun deimos is great for solo and smallgang pvp. So dont bash it just because you don't understand nanoing.

Now I do think that Liam misunderstood you so his suggestion will not serve what you are looking for. His fit is great for smallgang pvp, but what you were looking for were a fit for t3 blobs with logi support.

But to come with some suggestions:

Since you will be in a fleet with loki support, you probably dont need the web. If stuff it close enough for you to web it you can't track it properly anyways so you will rely on other to do the webbing for you. So you can replace the web with a cap booster to counter neuts or a tracking computer to increase tracking / range.

If you are going to use it for lowsec you can switch to an AB if the entire fleet goes AHAC style instead. It makes it even harder to kill your t3s as it will be harder to apply dps to them.

And don't forget to plug that explosive resisthole.

Edit: look up the killboads some of the lowsec pirate alliances such as Suddenly Spaceships or Shadow Cartel. They use AB rail proteus for their t3 fleets.



I think you misunderstood. I wasn't saying the Deimos itself is a bad ship. I was saying that Liam's fit, though it uses the same guns, is absolutely not an answer to my request for advice on my Proteus fit. Specifically because that hull gets 0 tracking bonus, and he didn't use a single tracking-enhancing mod or rig. Then he ran a circular argument implying that dedicated tackle was a waste, but then that his Deimos was utterly dependent on it.

The fit I posted gets 37.5% tracking bonus from the subsystem, plus the 20% from the T2 Metastasis rig. Include the 25% from Motion-Prediction-V, and either +50% tracking from Antimatter or +75% from Javalin, and let me ask this:

Is that enough to sufficiently track and apply damage to other Cruisers in maneuvering fleet warfare? As in, not just linear "kiting". After using a Thorax with 200's in similar situations, and seeing that work fine against Assault Frigates as well, I'm inclined to believe it's plenty.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#23 - 2014-03-19 23:44:08 UTC
Fenris Orion wrote:
Mizhir wrote:
So you are bashing the Deimos for being an expensive KM and horrible at killing stuff, while your own proteus suffers from the exact same things, but only worse? And then calls it a KM whoring ship while your proteus will not work witout any support. Lol, just lol.

The railgun deimos is great for solo and smallgang pvp. So dont bash it just because you don't understand nanoing.

Now I do think that Liam misunderstood you so his suggestion will not serve what you are looking for. His fit is great for smallgang pvp, but what you were looking for were a fit for t3 blobs with logi support.

But to come with some suggestions:

Since you will be in a fleet with loki support, you probably dont need the web. If stuff it close enough for you to web it you can't track it properly anyways so you will rely on other to do the webbing for you. So you can replace the web with a cap booster to counter neuts or a tracking computer to increase tracking / range.

If you are going to use it for lowsec you can switch to an AB if the entire fleet goes AHAC style instead. It makes it even harder to kill your t3s as it will be harder to apply dps to them.

And don't forget to plug that explosive resisthole.

Edit: look up the killboads some of the lowsec pirate alliances such as Suddenly Spaceships or Shadow Cartel. They use AB rail proteus for their t3 fleets.



I think you misunderstood. I wasn't saying the Deimos itself is a bad ship. I was saying that Liam's fit, though it uses the same guns, is absolutely not an answer to my request for advice on my Proteus fit. Specifically because that hull gets 0 tracking bonus, and he didn't use a single tracking-enhancing mod or rig. Then he ran a circular argument implying that dedicated tackle was a waste, but then that his Deimos was utterly dependent on it.

The fit I posted gets 37.5% tracking bonus from the subsystem, plus the 20% from the T2 Metastasis rig. Include the 25% from Motion-Prediction-V, and either +50% tracking from Antimatter or +75% from Javalin, and let me ask this:

Is that enough to sufficiently track and apply damage to other Cruisers in maneuvering fleet warfare? As in, not just linear "kiting". After using a Thorax with 200's in similar situations, and seeing that work fine against Assault Frigates as well, I'm inclined to believe it's plenty.


You are misinterpreting the meaning of "kiting" all together, but that is a different issue. I never claimed the Deimos depends entirely upon tackling ships to perform well; in fact I run it 99% of the time with just a Nomen as a duo, and to clear anything that gets too close to me, too quickly, that I cannot fend off with my own web and guns. Of course having a dedicated webbing ship is immensely helpful, but it is not required.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#24 - 2014-03-20 00:18:42 UTC
Fenris Orion wrote:
Mizhir wrote:
So you are bashing the Deimos for being an expensive KM and horrible at killing stuff, while your own proteus suffers from the exact same things, but only worse? And then calls it a KM whoring ship while your proteus will not work witout any support. Lol, just lol.

The railgun deimos is great for solo and smallgang pvp. So dont bash it just because you don't understand nanoing.

Now I do think that Liam misunderstood you so his suggestion will not serve what you are looking for. His fit is great for smallgang pvp, but what you were looking for were a fit for t3 blobs with logi support.

But to come with some suggestions:

Since you will be in a fleet with loki support, you probably dont need the web. If stuff it close enough for you to web it you can't track it properly anyways so you will rely on other to do the webbing for you. So you can replace the web with a cap booster to counter neuts or a tracking computer to increase tracking / range.

If you are going to use it for lowsec you can switch to an AB if the entire fleet goes AHAC style instead. It makes it even harder to kill your t3s as it will be harder to apply dps to them.

And don't forget to plug that explosive resisthole.

Edit: look up the killboads some of the lowsec pirate alliances such as Suddenly Spaceships or Shadow Cartel. They use AB rail proteus for their t3 fleets.



I think you misunderstood. I wasn't saying the Deimos itself is a bad ship. I was saying that Liam's fit, though it uses the same guns, is absolutely not an answer to my request for advice on my Proteus fit. Specifically because that hull gets 0 tracking bonus, and he didn't use a single tracking-enhancing mod or rig. Then he ran a circular argument implying that dedicated tackle was a waste, but then that his Deimos was utterly dependent on it.

The fit I posted gets 37.5% tracking bonus from the subsystem, plus the 20% from the T2 Metastasis rig. Include the 25% from Motion-Prediction-V, and either +50% tracking from Antimatter or +75% from Javalin, and let me ask this:

Is that enough to sufficiently track and apply damage to other Cruisers in maneuvering fleet warfare? As in, not just linear "kiting". After using a Thorax with 200's in similar situations, and seeing that work fine against Assault Frigates as well, I'm inclined to believe it's plenty.


The metastastasis rig can be fitted on the deimos as well.

But bear in mind that the deimos is significantly faster than a 1600mm plated proteus. So you can use your speed to keep the transversal down. The harder it is to catch you the harder it is to orbit you.

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Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-03-20 03:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrett
The answer to your question is the ENI. It puts out gun DPS better than any cruiser I know of with long range weapons. I'm going from memory here, but I think the 200mm version gets 550ish DPS with guns. The 250mm version gets 650ish. Add in drones and heat and you can get over 800dps. With spike it approach 400ish gun DPS out to 50k ish. You will have trouble fitting an armor buffer with 250s though. Will probably need to use 200s.

Again - going from memory here, so ymmv.

Generally though if you just want to fly a T3, as long as you have fleet tackle, 250rails on any ship are really really nasty. I keep thinking I will start seeing doctrines around them, but I haven't yet. Maybe they are used in Nullsec more...

Edit - except for the heat sinks, looks like shah fluffers beat me to it. ;)

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#26 - 2014-03-20 22:23:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Fenris Orion wrote:

Just stop. The only thing that fit is going to be good for, other than an expensive loss-mail, is using Spike to wh*re KM's. There's a reason the Deimos is known as the Die-Most with fits like that.

Why is it people insist on trying to be "snipers" in Eve? Please go back to Call of Duty.

In my case, using Spike to clear Frigates and Destroyers or defend my Logi at range is a nice bonus, but not it's primary purpose. Using Navy Antimatter within web range of HAC's was the stated goal. In which case, tracking kinda matters.


By all means good luck with your CCC-fitted proteus, *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
A rail deimos is not a sniping ship ever, especially if you see a web and a point on it.

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Fenris Orion
Strata Victoria
Of Essence
#27 - 2014-03-20 22:50:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Fenris Orion
Hrett wrote:
The answer to your question is the ENI.

250rails on any ship are really really nasty. I keep thinking I will start seeing doctrines around them, but I haven't. Maybe they are used in Nulsec more...


Y'know, I'll go ahead and put a Navy Exeq in the hanger, just to humor you guys that love it so much. I've seen blaster fits do nasty things. To be honest, though, it's the faction-step-up from the Thorax, and far short of an alternative to the Prote.

Railguns still don't seem to have outgrown their old reputation, and I hadn't seen anyone post fits for a rail Proteus for PVP yet, though I've seen them used on KM's. Thought I'd step out of the box a little, fully expecting to be Trolled. No worries.

And Batelle, I'll let you know what luck I end up having. Railgun Deimos was simply not helpful, so you'll just have to excuse the off-color remarks.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#28 - 2014-03-21 00:15:19 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

The rules:
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