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CCP write of $21.4M worth of code - Taking bets on whats been killed

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Oberine Noriepa
#81 - 2014-03-19 01:45:11 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
Dust would have been much more successful on the PC. They shot themselves in the foot making it PS3 only and alienating the majority of the EVE player base that WOULD have played it otherwise. I know I would have bought it if it had been on the PC.

I can't see any reason why CCP wouldn't eventually bring the game over to PC. It runs on Unreal Engine 3. It wouldn't be difficult to create a PC version at all.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2014-03-19 06:42:49 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Hehaw Jimbojohnson wrote:

Yet another guy who has no idea what the World of Darkness universe is. Hint: It isn't Twilight vampires.

Given that most of the Georgia team was sacked, I know exactly what the World of Darkness universe is: vaporware.


The White Wolf LARP people in my area are dysfunctional and crazy. They have had in game disputes with regard to masquerade that led to real world threats of legal action, court restraining orders and threats of violence. A dispute over the "death" of a character in game between two flat mates led to one leaving town and moving interstate. I have been led to believe my local group are not unusual.

If EVE were LARPed it would be no different.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#83 - 2014-03-19 08:01:23 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
The White Wolf LARP people in my area are dysfunctional and crazy. They have had in game disputes with regard to masquerade that led to real world threats of legal action, court restraining orders and threats of violence. A dispute over the "death" of a character in game between two flat mates led to one leaving town and moving interstate. I have been led to believe my local group are not unusual.

If EVE were LARPed it would be no different.

EVE isn't a LARP and it's already no different.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#84 - 2014-03-19 09:51:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
First: DUST514 is running, goes with FreeToPlay model, player numbers are not overwhelming, and they will not be, as its on old platform and world goes on to Titanfall or others, depending on what is actually hyped.
Could be derecognized, but with lot of crying.

Second: WOD, years in making, bumps along the road, staff kicked out. Recognition minimal. Comparing to DUST it is the abortion asking dead in the womb.

Incarna already aborted years ago. Avatar exploration prototype was just a prototype, and was killed at the end of this stage.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Kaarlan Zhar
Far Horizon Scientific
#85 - 2014-03-19 10:27:39 UTC
Derecognition as a development asset doesn't necessarily mean it's been killed. With R&D, when it's in the research phase it's expensed (recognised in the income statement), once it's in actual development (and is actually likely to make money) then you can recognise it on the balance sheet as an asset. Remember, whatever this was was only being recognised as an asset *in development*, not as an actual asset.

This could simply mean that they realised it wasn't going to make money in the foreseeable future and the international accounting standard says you can't recognise it. It doesn't mean they've said "we will never develop this thing ever again".
Sgt Zora
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#86 - 2014-03-19 12:15:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Sgt Zora
The fact that CCP is writing off money in their books doesn't mean anything concerning what they will do really, it just reflects accounting law and practice.

Basically they had a number in their books that said "this investment is worth xx million $". Now accounting law forces your books to reflect reality to some point. So if your investment doesn't produce the projected value, you have to write it off the books. That DOESN'T mean you will scrap the investment. In fact, if you can write off an investment as a loss, you should, because it helps you to reduce or eliminate tax.

So, while i think this "write off" reflects DUST 514, i think it is highly doubtful that DUST 514 will be scrapped. CPP just took the opportunity to reduce tax by creating a loss (that can be reasonably argued) in their books.


Edit: of course it could be that DUST 514 will be scrapped if it is cash flow negative, but that doesn't really have anything to do with the write-off.

Edit: Also being a mostly private held company, CCP doesn't care how their balance sheets "look" to third party investors. They want to squeeze the maximum profit which is the reasonable thing to do.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#87 - 2014-03-19 12:40:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
So this mean that they will still throw money into the DUST and WOD, despite the accounting tricks? That is what CCP is able to do.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#88 - 2014-03-19 14:07:53 UTC
Well its just gonna be harder for CCP to buy Iceland now with this setback. Too bad, Hilmar will just be another normal leader by the time he makes enough again to buy Iceland.

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Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2014-03-19 14:25:02 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

People saying this really pisses me off.


good.
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2014-03-19 14:28:31 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
And every time someone complains about the list, 1 more thing gets added.


"I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."



youre really giving him way too much credit.

he's at most an jar-jar, hardly Vader material.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#91 - 2014-03-19 14:46:12 UTC
Pandora Barzane wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
And every time someone complains about the list, 1 more thing gets added.


"I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."



youre really giving him way too much credit.

he's at most an jar-jar, hardly Vader material.



That is a harsh slam, hopefully CCP comes in to mod this thread. That is too hot for just ISD to handle.

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Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#92 - 2014-03-19 15:07:38 UTC
Billy Hix wrote:
I am going with Incarna. Even though WOD development has been gutted and most of the staff fired, I believe CCP may still be holding out some hope they can get some money out of it. As for Incarna DEAD. Saying that as Incarna was pretty much WOD code beta it could be both are one and the same from a code asset point of view.


Incarna still remains very likely CCP's best chance at competing in the next generation of PC games. Writing it off would be somewhere between stupid and moronic. CCP's largest mistake was backing off on it.

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#93 - 2014-03-19 15:11:57 UTC
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
Last Wolf wrote:
Dust would have been much more successful on the PC. They shot themselves in the foot making it PS3 only and alienating the majority of the EVE player base that WOULD have played it otherwise. I know I would have bought it if it had been on the PC.

I can't see any reason why CCP wouldn't eventually bring the game over to PC. It runs on Unreal Engine 3. It wouldn't be difficult to create a PC version at all.


These comments are both mistaken thoughts.

1. CCP needs new customers, not just EVE players getting yet another account. PC launch would've been a mistake. The EVE playerbase is small, and a subset of them playing DUST would not support the cost of it's development. Additionally, as a free-to-play game with microtransactions, and EVE players being the largest gang of butthurt crybabies about microtransactions, it wouldn't have made any money on PC. Whereas it's likely generating decent revenue on PS3, even if it probably hasn't turned a profit yet (not surprising for a new MMO title, in actuality).

2. There's massive, massive challenges to making a multiplatform FPS work on the same battle servers. Never say "it wouldn't be difficult" unless you're a game developer who actually knows how difficult it really would be. Then assume that as you don't work for CCP, you still don't know everything, and still never say it.

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#94 - 2014-03-19 15:51:44 UTC
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
Last Wolf wrote:
Dust would have been much more successful on the PC. They shot themselves in the foot making it PS3 only and alienating the majority of the EVE player base that WOULD have played it otherwise. I know I would have bought it if it had been on the PC.

I can't see any reason why CCP wouldn't eventually bring the game over to PC. It runs on Unreal Engine 3. It wouldn't be difficult to create a PC version at all.

As with, practically all FPSs on PC, it would be hacked the **** out of! And most of their time would be spent countering said hacking...

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#95 - 2014-03-19 16:04:08 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
Dust would have been much more successful on the PC. They shot themselves in the foot making it PS3 only and alienating the majority of the EVE player base that WOULD have played it otherwise. I know I would have bought it if it had been on the PC.



As people tend to say in the US after an election "You lost, get over it"

Dust is not going to pc, deal with it and move on. I am sure CCP looked at metrics and numbers and found the Ps3 to be the most profitable place to try this. As you don't work for CCP, your opinion of 'it would of been more successful on a PC" is invalid. And as Dust is not on a PC, stop whineing about it not being on PC and move on with your life. If that changes its up to ccp. No amount of people kicking a dead horse will change it.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#96 - 2014-03-19 16:19:36 UTC
Lights out on World of Darkness...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#97 - 2014-03-19 16:23:12 UTC
Pandora Barzane wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
And every time someone complains about the list, 1 more thing gets added.


"I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."



youre really giving him way too much credit.

he's at most an jar-jar, hardly Vader material.



See you at FanFest!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lonig
Destruction Unlimited
#98 - 2014-03-19 16:48:13 UTC
Just to the Valkarie folks, it isn't exclusive to Rift anymore.

http://reviews.cnet.com/portable-tv-video/sony-project-morpheus/4505-6494_7-35873300.html

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/213460/This_is_Project_Morpheus_Sonys_prototype_VR_headset.php

PS4 will have it with their little VR stuff too now. Announced at GDC today.

So PC, PC with Rift, and PS4 with Morpheus.
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#99 - 2014-03-19 18:03:29 UTC
Lonig wrote:
So PC, PC with Rift, and PS4 with Morpheus.


Actually, just PC with Rift, and PS4 with Morpheus. You will need a VR headset to play Valkyrie.

Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - soraya@biomassed.net
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#100 - 2014-03-19 19:33:52 UTC
I would just go with 8 cores minimum, 16 GB of ram and two graphic cards required to just listen to music in the game then, for minimal requirements. Just to be sure everyone can enjoy the game in all its greatness.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!