Crime & Punishment

Patch 3.0 Thermopylae

Under continued assault from the sanshas, the empires have been weakened and are fallen back. Concord has withdrawn into "true sec" a grouping of 0.9-1.0 systems surrounding the tutorial hubs and is no longer present elsewhere in highsec as their manpower is stretched beyond breaking point. While faction police forces still patrol the gates of highsec and will enforce the law against criminals capsulers are advised to look to their own defenses. In response to these increased dangers manufactors of civilian shipping are increasing the defenses of the ships they build.

patch notes:
Freighters and industrials are now immune to warp disruption. Freighters now have increased defenses and will require a significant number of attackers to bring down.
Mining barges have expanded drone bays for self defense purposes and increased ehps.

pve players are urged to group up for their own protection and to encourage this the way missions are accepted, run and turned in has been altered such that it can and should be done in fleets with npcs/rewards being adjusted for the number of fleet members.

Not sure C&P is the right place for this discussion but I think random, hi-sec, wildcat strikes by Concord over, say, pay and conditions would produce some interesting game play not to mention tears.

Awesome reference name for the dream patch! All players named Angus are KOS for all concord forces :))

The day concord retires is the day I'll have to step in and keep order.

Because thats not what this is about? The current situation (ie concord) is based around ganking miners, haulers, newbies and mission runners.

Newbies and mission runners are often tricked into allowing a pvp ship to engage their pve ship due to poor understanding of the aggression mechanics. That makes them free loot and people cant assist them against the ganker due to concord.

Miners and haulers are being ganked (as well as bling fit mission boats) when a combination of too high value cargo for the tank they have equipped makes the gank profitable. That I have no problem with and nor does any other intelligent player I have spoken to yet. Its simple piracy and easily handled by tanking your ship properly. What has changed though is that a certain part of the high sec pvp community has stopped ganking for profit and has started ganking for giggles, ie no longer piracy but arguably griefing. Using dessies to suicide gank newbies in ventures/rookie ships/shuttles and dropping tornados on empty badgers (tank fit or not) can carry no expectation of profit.


However hilarious it is to read the tears, the naivety of the victims (you cant do this!) and their self entitlement (you cant do this to ME! CCP change the game!!!1), I have to recognise that:
a) one day Im going to get 2 tornados dropped on my tanky badger carrying its "4 large crates of polytextiles" and fail my mission
b) it will be done purely because someone wants to see me blow up
c) theres nothing I can do about it.

I have no problem with A and B, I would like to do something about C. Concord cant defend me. I would like the option of defending myself

We already have a Supreme Protector, sorry. Maybe you should challenge him to a duel for supremacy of Hi-Sec though? Assuming that you can pass the trials three, of course.

I can see the points about being over used cliche "conflict". But I think we can agree that giving freighters and any other industrial warp disruption immunity can be construed as just a means to prevent them being killed.

As stated it would be a complex item to suggest and was off the cuff. But if freighters were moving with a team to web them then they were already operating with support. It is the solo freighter who seems to be the ultimate winner in this case, and that runs counter to what the OP suggests.

Perhaps a better means would be to dramatically boost freighter resists. This would make the time to kill substantially longer allowing for a defence force to save it, while not making freighter bowling the only way to tackle one.

EHP buffs really aren't the way to go, at least if you want alpha ships to be at all useful. If EHP is buffed too much then the attacked ship can burn back to the gate and lose its attackers. Even if concord is removed or has higher response times, gate guns will make it extremely difficult for gankers to stay alive long enough for help to arrive for either side.

A CONCORD strike sounds like a great idea.

Perhaps there could be a CONCORD labor dispute over the amount of work they have to do in Jita and the danger of going near smartbombs that could lead to them placing workbans on attending any spaceship violence in that system.

I think it's pretty obvious that was not it's intent. You'd have to kill them in a running battle, but they'd be killable. Freighters are so cumbersome that to keep them useful under such conditions they'd need fairly reliable means of escape.

[QuoteAs stated it would be a complex item to suggest and was off the cuff. But if freighters were moving with a team to web them then they were already operating with support. It is the solo freighter who seems to be the ultimate winner in this case, and that runs counter to what the OP suggests. [/quote] The time issue is nearly insurmountable for this proposal.

Still ridiculously easy to pin one down and kill it. For OP to work, tackling across the entire game would need serious examination.