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Capsuleer Migrants: Children of Two Worlds

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Shiki Mikkyou
#21 - 2014-03-17 21:15:26 UTC
While not a profound change of favor, I did undergo a galvanizing cultural experience similar to that of Pilots Cairi and Verrisai, in that I came to a deeper respect for my own culture through exposure to the cluster.

My mother gave birth to me on a Wiyrkomi station in Minmatar space, and as the birth occurred on State property to two State citizens, I have been counted a citizen myself since birth. Still, my youth was spent well away from the heart of the State, and as might be surmised, my initial exposure to our culture came solely from my parents.

Though we moved somewhat frequently from station to station, there was always consistent support of our ideals of achievement, collective endeavor, and leadership by example, no matter who claimed sovereignty in the system. This made the transition to my life inside the State proper, during my secondary education, by-and-large a seamless one. Despite being of a small minority, I spoke the language, understood the history, and integrated easily. Though a 'transplant' of sorts, I was never considered an outsider.

It wasn't until the later stages of my education at STI that I was able to acquaint myself with Achura, and though my mother had raised me as bilingual, I had very little use for our tongue outside of my meditations on spiritual texts. My exploration of our ancestral world was a second homecoming of a kind, not surprisingly a rewarding and uplifting experience. In coming to better know our origins, I felt that I was able to develop a sense of the spirit that made us worthy to be elevated to the stars as Caldari, and it invigorated my curiousity and my desire to test my capabilities.

So to come to the original point of this topic, I believe that rather than shedding something by entering the yasun, I have found a stronger sense of how to be the best citizen I can be, worthy of the striving of my forebears.

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain。

Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#22 - 2014-03-17 21:34:04 UTC
Aelisha wrote:
Thank you to those of you who have replied with your experiences. Less of the pointless back and forth over minor issues that are off-topic would be appreciated, however.

Korsavius, your offer is generous, but I am at present happy to maintain my current status as capsuleer freedoms pretty much make up for any perceived lack of status in a cluster that tends to lock our kind out of the political machinery by and large. However, I would enjoy a discussion about your experiences as a State born Minmatar, if you don't mind talking about it?

Of course. My schedule for the past couple months has been quite hectic, and will continue to be so until the end of this week. Perhaps next week if you are available some time, we can chat over a cup of tea on my home of Parakone Island on Abagawa IV. Until then, moitte.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-03-17 22:05:55 UTC
I can say a thing or two about migrating to another country. My mother, a Deteis woman who was steadily rising through the corporate ranks moved to the Federation. Why? After a short internship here, she felt a lot more valued. She said that while she adores the State as much as the Federation, you just don't have value as a person in the State. The notion of constantly trying to prove yourself was horrific for her. Here in the Federation, you are proven from birth and are judged not on what you do to get to your position, but on your position. Doctors are treated like doctors, not medical students trying to prove themselves to be doctors. Engineers are treated like engineers, rather than people with ideas yet no way to apply them. Leaders are treated like leaders, and not mere laborers trying to obtain that recognition.

As for myself, I don't live in Federation Space anymore. I have business to attend to in nullsec and really only come home to visit family, friends, and work on my show. In addition, I've visited all the Empires and have lived in each of them for at least a month. I actually lived in the State for several years, I'm sure Ms. Aelisha can understand why. Unfortunately, I had to leave once Heth and the Provist began to rise to power.

Of course, I never wanted to turn my back completely on the Federation. Gallente Society is a big part of why I have gotten to this point in my life. I truly believe I would not be the same person I am today were I to be born into a different country. I know for certain I wouldn't be as happy a person. While I love many things about the various cultures that exist, I do have my reason's for never integrating with another culture.

My travels throughout the cluster and my lengthy visits to other countries have mostly been trying to find a home away from home. I love the Federation, which is why I decided to try and bring things back to it that would make it better.

Living in the Amarr Empire? They seemed to be the people that were most content with their life style. There is a reason why they want to "reclaim" the cluster. They have an incredible devotion to their faith and culture, they truly believe the world would be better off if it was the only faith and culture there was. That said, I never considered the Empire as a possible home away from home because whether you are a peaceful loving Amarrian or a bloodthirsty zealot, you still want to impose your beliefs on others. When I was in the Empire I felt the constant and uncomfortable pressure to become part of the faith. "Everyone is doing it! You'll be better off if you just join in!". Sometimes life in the Empire felt like living in a Gallentean commercial for the latest fashion trend.

Living in the Minmatar Republic? I will admit, I wasn't fair to the Republic for sometime. Throughout my youth I never thought highly of the Republic. "Why don't they just live in the Federation like so many other Minmatar?" I wondered. I lived in the Republic for about three months and I have to say living there changed my impression the most. The one thing I absolutely adored about the Republic was it's pride. I attended the launching of a new Nidhoggur and you could see these wondrous looks on everyone's face! They had that smile that said "Everyone said we couldn't do it, and we sure as hell proved them wrong." This was the launch of one of many thousands of Nidhoggurs in the Republic Fleet, yet everyone who took part in building it treated it like it was the very first one to be unveiled to the cluster. Republicans are this proud about everything, from building capital ships to cooking you a quick meal. Of course, this pride that made me admire the Republic also made me dislike some aspects of it. There are many people living in poverty in the Republic, not a lot, but enough to be noticeable. The Republican attitude is to keep pushing forward no matter what, yet they seem to neglect what they leave behind. In addition, integrating as a foriegner is hard. Everyone there is part of a tribe. In the way the Amarrian faith is like a "must be a part of" trend, tribalism in the Republic is like a school clique. You're only allowed to get close to people within your circle, and you're discouraged from interacting with those in others unless it's a rivalry. Of course, if you can't find a clique or tribe to belong to, then you're kinda screwed.

And finally, the Caldari State: I stayed in the State the longest out of the countries I've lived in because I found their culture (particularly wayist philosophy) beautiful yet also practical. The idea that everyone worked to be part of something greater was quite appealing to me. You always felt like you belonged. There was no need to try and stand out because society will find a use for you. However, the reasons for why I could never really see myself permanently living in the State are the same reasons my mother had. I love the idea that you have to work for what you get, but it seems you are always working. You can become a CEO or Admiral if you are good enough yes, but you're never truly good enough. It's spectacular that Caldari society encourages people to be the best they can be like the Federation, however Caldari society doesn't seem to be able to accept when you do get to that point.

So yeah, I can say I tried them all, but the best I've found is where I was born, in the Federation.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-03-18 12:31:56 UTC
Apollo Lyserius wrote:
People like Diana Kim are that way mostly because they've never had to cohabit or get to really know people from cultures they oppose.

Oh-oh-oh!
The new prophet cometh!!
The great MISTER APOLLO I KNOW IT ALL LYSERIUS has told HIS WORD!!!
Of course, taken from his sick imagination, trying to fill missing facts with perverted fantasies in a small head of his.

You are nobody and know nothing about me, gallentean. All you can do is spread your lies and worthless propaganda.
And you will remain nothing, but a soaked in gallentean propaganda sponge, before you will JUST TRY to actually look for truth or facts.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
#25 - 2014-03-18 12:35:54 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

The great MISTER APOLLO I KNOW IT ALL LYSERIUS has told HIS WORD!!!
Of course, taken from his sick imagination, trying to fill missing facts with perverted fantasies in a small head of his.

You are nobody and know nothing about me, gallentean. All you can do is spread your lies and worthless propaganda.
And you will remain nothing, but a soaked in gallentean propaganda sponge, before you will JUST TRY to actually look for truth or facts.


See?

If I am " trying to fill missing facts with perverted fantasies in [my] small head ", spreading "lies and worthless propaganda." who doesn't "actually look for truth or facts.", and takes everything from my "sick imagination",

Then we actually have quite a lot in common. My point made. You up for coffee?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-03-18 12:39:38 UTC
Coffee?..
Why would I waste MY precious time on a lying sponge, filled with gallentean propaganda?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#27 - 2014-03-18 17:39:27 UTC  |  Edited by: N'maro Makari
For Minmatar capsuleers I find there is, generally speaking, a welcoming and flexible support and network.

However, and this isn't a Minmatar specific problem, there's limited outreach from cultural groups (official or unofficial) and the rate of involvement of capsuleers in their original or chosen culture is very low by any reasonable metric.

I think the danger is as originally described, people risk accidentally "falling out" of their original culture rather than having to choose between capsuleering and remaining true to your cultural group.

**Vherokior **

Anslo
Scope Works
#28 - 2014-03-18 18:01:24 UTC
Does going from Tierijev to Fed space count?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2014-03-18 18:49:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
Anslo wrote:
Does going from Tierijev to Fed space count?


If you feel like it was a significant change and can explain why, I do not see why not.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#30 - 2014-03-19 02:16:53 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Coffee?..
Why would I waste MY precious time on a lying sponge, filled with gallentean propaganda?

Why not? It could be an insightful and educational experience. If you would rather, I could take you out to coffee instead. We could talk about incursions, combat tactics, ship fittings and former lovers ( both human and machine Big smile )

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-03-19 13:15:24 UTC
Insightful and educational experience with record disc, repeating senseless gallentean propaganda?
No, thanks!

I'd better go read about new weapon development. Or go study deeper chemistry. Or physics. Wormhole physics.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#32 - 2014-03-19 20:32:03 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Insightful and educational experience with record disc, repeating senseless gallentean propaganda?
No, thanks!

I'd better go read about new weapon development. Or go study deeper chemistry. Or physics. Wormhole physics.

Two propaganda machines like yourself and him might actually get along. Or kill one another, eather way it would be interesting to watch..... We could make a reality show out of it....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
#33 - 2014-03-20 02:12:01 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Coffee?..
Why would I waste MY precious time on a lying sponge, filled with gallentean propaganda?


To find out that maybe the world isn't made of White or Black, Good Or Evil, Right Or Wrong, Light or Darkness, Eight or Eighty. That someone's worth isn't defined merely by their culture, race and nationality.

Diana Kim wrote:
Insightful and educational experience with record disc, repeating senseless gallentean propaganda?
No, thanks!

I'd better go read about new weapon development. Or go study deeper chemistry. Or physics. Wormhole physics.


I'm a researcher. I research defense technology in my corporation. Thus I am savvy on all those subjects.

Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Insightful and educational experience with record disc, repeating senseless gallentean propaganda?
No, thanks!

I'd better go read about new weapon development. Or go study deeper chemistry. Or physics. Wormhole physics.

Two propaganda machines like yourself and him might actually get along. Or kill one another, eather way it would be interesting to watch..... We could make a reality show out of it....


And hey, stop with that "gallente propaganda" thing. Compared to others in the IGS, I'm quite moderate concerning my nationality. I do favour the Federation but that's not a blind faith like many others of all nations. If anything, I have criticized the Gallente mindset in this exact thread.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#34 - 2014-03-20 04:03:26 UTC
We Ammatars have a natural viewpoint of coming from one culture but swearing loyalty to another, so it's nothing new here. It's not just our capsuleers - it's our entire population. That so many people have trouble with the idea seems alien to us.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-03-20 21:58:19 UTC
Apollo Lyserius wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Coffee?..
Why would I waste MY precious time on a lying sponge, filled with gallentean propaganda?


To find out that maybe the world isn't made of White or Black, Good Or Evil, Right Or Wrong, Light or Darkness, Eight or Eighty. That someone's worth isn't defined merely by their culture, race and nationality.

That I know already.
But I don't want to provide to anyone who says lies like these:
"People like Diana Kim are that way mostly because they've never had to cohabit or get to really know people from cultures they oppose."
any ideas about me, to be used in stupid propaganda and insults.

Apollo Lyserius wrote:

Diana Kim wrote:
Insightful and educational experience with record disc, repeating senseless gallentean propaganda?
No, thanks!

I'd better go read about new weapon development. Or go study deeper chemistry. Or physics. Wormhole physics.


I'm a researcher. I research defense technology in my corporation. Thus I am savvy on all those subjects.

And also you are savvy on lying about peoples.
NO. THANKS.

Apollo Lyserius wrote:

And hey, stop with that "gallente propaganda" thing. Compared to others in the IGS, I'm quite moderate concerning my nationality. I do favour the Federation but that's not a blind faith like many others of all nations. If anything, I have criticized the Gallente mindset in this exact thread.

Okay, little quiz for you:

1. Do you believe freedom can bring only good?
2. Do you believe that individualism is a good thing?
3. Do you think that hedonism isn't bad practice?
4. Do you think that Tibus Heth was a terrorist?
5. Do you think that Luminaire belongs to gallenteans?
6. Do you think that disorders in Caldari Prime that caused the war, weren't started by gallenteans?
7. Do you think that freedom fighter is a better hero than a professional soldier?
8. Do you think that democracy is the best government or management form?

... Well, I could write more questions, but lets stop on this.
Value your answers, yes = 1; no = 0.
Count your score.

If your score is posivite, you are into gallente propaganda thing.
If your score is more than four, you are a gallentean propagandist.
If your score is eight, you are an enemy of humanity and must be destroyed on contact.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2014-03-20 22:17:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Gallente ships kill things quicker. Caldari ships look prettier.

My nation is my Worm.

Nations mean nothing in space unless you're a highsec carebear. Go over to Syndicate and ask them what they think their nation is, Intaki-chan.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#37 - 2014-03-20 23:55:25 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
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Okay, little quiz for you:

1. Do you believe freedom can bring only good?
2. Do you believe that individualism is a good thing?
3. Do you think that hedonism isn't bad practice?
4. Do you think that Tibus Heth was a terrorist?
5. Do you think that Luminaire belongs to gallenteans?
6. Do you think that disorders in Caldari Prime that caused the war, weren't started by gallenteans?
7. Do you think that freedom fighter is a better hero than a professional soldier?
8. Do you think that democracy is the best government or management form?

... Well, I could write more questions, but lets stop on this.
Value your answers, yes = 1; no = 0.
Count your score.

If your score is posivite, you are into gallente propaganda thing.
If your score is more than four, you are a gallentean propagandist.
If your score is eight, you are an enemy of humanity and must be destroyed on contact.

0
Meh
Meh
Meh
0
Meh
Situational
Meh
Hows that?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#38 - 2014-03-21 00:53:07 UTC
Jurou Yuan wrote:
Diana. You need to be born inside the state to be considered a citizen, it cannot be earned by 'outsiders'. Surely you know that?

That's not exactly true. People can become full citizens within the State, but it's expected that they leave everything about their old culture behind and adopt the Caldari culture. They are not "Amarr-Caldari" or "Intaki-Caldari", they are simply "Caldari". Refering to one's self as anything else would garner you a lot of bad looks.

In many megacorps, it is indeed very difficult to get accepted and sponsored. But some of the more liberal ones are willing to take chances every now and then. Ishukone comes to mind; but even though they're more likely to take in outsiders and sponsor citizenship, that by no means that it happens often.

To be honest, the quickest way into State citizenship is working for a Capsuleer corporation with close ties to one of the Megacorporations. If one proves that they can make the cut, then said corporation may use their influence to open doors for the individual.
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
#39 - 2014-03-21 00:58:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo Lyserius
Diana Kim wrote:

That I know already.
But I don't want to provide to anyone who says lies like these:
"People like Diana Kim are that way mostly because they've never had to cohabit or get to really know people from cultures they oppose."
any ideas about me, to be used in stupid propaganda and insults.


But...have you...? Am I wrong on that? If yes, for how long and with whom have you cohabited?


Diana Kim wrote:
Okay, little quiz for you:

1. Do you believe freedom can bring only good?
2. Do you believe that individualism is a good thing?
3. Do you think that hedonism isn't bad practice?
4. Do you think that Tibus Heth was a terrorist?
5. Do you think that Luminaire belongs to gallenteans?
6. Do you think that disorders in Caldari Prime that caused the war, weren't started by gallenteans?
7. Do you think that freedom fighter is a better hero than a professional soldier?
8. Do you think that democracy is the best government or management form?

... Well, I could write more questions, but lets stop on this.
Value your answers, yes = 1; no = 0.
Count your score.

If your score is posivite, you are into gallente propaganda thing.
If your score is more than four, you are a gallentean propagandist.
If your score is eight, you are an enemy of humanity and must be destroyed on contact.


You just said you knew the world isn't made of binary manichaeisms yet you're asking me to give you binary answers on extremely complex topics. Miss, I could write entire essays (The last one was, by the way, partially the subject of one of my master's theses), and yet the final answer to all of them would never be "Yes" or "No" but only more doubts and uncertain observations. If I were to answer to a child with "Yes" or "No", all the answers would be "Yes" and "No".
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#40 - 2014-03-21 01:05:23 UTC
I'm sure some of the pilots in my extended-family could give some interesting perspectives on this question.

My sisters and I were raised by our Achuran parents, however lived a very transient lifestyle with a family obsessed with some unusual traditions. Some of our pilots are former students, others freed-slaves, one is even a former orphan. All of us identify to different levels with our own cultures.

For me, my people's culture is merely a symbol of where I came from and a small slice of what makes me who I am. Culture in no way dictates my current lifestyle, my future or the entirety of who I am. A part of my heart will always love the State, and my voice remain vocal in it's support until I am no more, but it is no longer who I am and plays little part in where I am going.

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