EVE General Discussion

They have the same relative impact. However, instead of 10% improving a 1-hour train time by 6 minutes, when you train a 30-day skill, the difference is 3 days.

Think of it as the speed you drive to a destination. Going very fast technically impacts getting to close places the same way that it impacts long journeys. However, in absolute terms, it is much more important to go fast on a long trip (hence, highways).

As I said before, when you hear bad advice like that just nod politely and then disregard anything else that person has to say. Consider it a favor they gave you. They ignored the old proverb 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.'

As for the contention that vets benefit more from +5's than noobs do, if anything the reverse is true, I'd much much much rather have +5's plugged in in my first year than in my 5th year.

Now that I'm a member of the 100M+ SP club I mostly train skills that make marginal differences in what I can fly and how well I can fly it. Yes, it's nice to have weapons spec V but that 2% difference isn't going to matter much 99% of the time (in a PVP context, in a PVE context, yes, it will mean I complete missions trivially faster.)

Conversely, that first 10M or 20M SP makes a huge difference in what you can fly and how well you can fly it. And getting there sooner is a big deal. +5 implants save the same days or weeks off the length of time as they do to train 1 level V skill.

As for your statement that bitter vets think that because they have an earlier birthday than you that they automatically know more about everything in EVE than you, yes, that's been a huge pet peeve of mine for years as well. I think that's a more important point to make and that this particular item is just an example of it.

no regrets to pushing my alts to cybernetics 5 as thier first lvl 5 then using the lp/isk from my main to kit them with +5 implants. Its enabled me to get my alts very high in thier skillsets very fast, talking about my 14m+ leadership pilot, which also has that much SP in spaceship command, millions in gunnery so on so forth, all in a little over a year. thanks to CCP for a couple m SP from the BC skill change though.

This pilot only had like +3's for the first 6+ months and i feel, from my alts experience, i was letting myself down. I even notice the difference when i hop into my snake clone, that can add days onto skill queues compared to a ca1-2 and +5 clone

It is extremely difficult to fit a large number of level 1 skills that all have the same attribute into the queue. Yes, buying level 5 implants on a brand new character and then throwing on a cerebral accelerator right after cybernetics is trained, along with an immediate remap is the fastest way of training.

If I am talking to a new player I will never recommend this approach. A new player would have to drop $40 on a game that they just started playing to afford the implants + accelerator. On top of that, the remap is only replaceable with time, and the implants can be lost to a simple mistake like auto-piloting through Uedama at the wrong time. Also, the remap will increase training time for other skills, locking the player out of a well rounded initial training plan.

You might notice that the price issue can be alleviated by only buying two plus 5 implants. This would lock the player even more into a specific training plan though. Its better to buy some +1 or +3 implants as they can afford them and not risk an 800m pod. I question the need of any player to get the training time from +5's, especially considering that the higher your attribute is, the lower the percentage training time reduction when adding a point to it.

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Yes, this is applicable if the only choice is maximizing SP/h, but that isn't the issue at hand. Rather it's the notion that lvl 5 skills draw a greater benefit from implants. And while filling the queue with level ones isn't exactly easy at low ranked skills especially, that becomes irrelevant as levels 2-5 draw the same benefit. So the point is that using the same implants,whatever level they may be, the savings on skill levels 1-5 are greater than just putting them in for lvl 5 alone.

That is wrong and it has been pointed out repeatedly why in this thread.

Please tell me, that by page 9, the OP wrapped his head around this.

don't mean to be harsh, but it might be a bit early to start telling people what they do, and don't know in the game.