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Astero or Anathema, also fits?
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Valentina Rudakova
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-03-16 21:35:17 UTC
Hey all,

My plan is to get into either ship and get myself lost in some WH, find 0.0 exits, do some data or relic exploration (which to focus on btw), back into a WH and generally just stroll about. I know how to scan but haven't really done any PVE scanning in WH or 0.0 so not sure what's needed. It's not so much about raking in the cash as more the feeling of "true exploration".

So what are either ship's pros and cons in this regard, which to focus on and what should I fit on them. Any tips or tricks in regards to hacking (never really done it for real tbh) or other good advice for this whole endeavour are very much appreciated.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-03-17 08:26:51 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Astero because it looks better.

Data sites because your cargo isnt big enough for relic sites.

And the better your skills in hacking/scanning the easier it will be.

Cherry pick the best stuff or you will run out of cargo pretty quick.

No Worries
Valentina Rudakova
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-03-17 11:03:16 UTC
Is cargo space really an issue with relics, from what I understood they pay better in 0.0 so it sounds worthwhile?
Elemenohpee
Output Industries
#4 - 2014-03-17 11:34:24 UTC
I would say neither, go for a Tengu. 1st time you have to burn through like 50 bubbles or jump into a camp with a sabre you'll wish u were in a Tengu. Also can fit everything you need, have 3x the cargo and have a little buffer, neuts to neut of tackle and some stabs in case you get pointed.

[Tengu, Exploration]
Warp Core Stabilizer II
Warp Core Stabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Scan Acquisition Array II
Scan Pinpointing Array II
Scan Rangefinding Array II
Data Analyzer II
Relic Analyzer II
Large Shield Extender II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Medium Memetic Algorithm Bank I

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-03-17 11:45:27 UTC
cargo isn't really an issue as the expensive stuff is low volume. Just jettison the high volume stuff.
The cov ops frig has a better cloak (the recloaking delay bonus makes a real differance)
The astero can easily kill 95% of the ships you will find at relic /data sites (cov ops frig)
The tengu suggested has the advantage of being immune to bubbles but has a long payback time. It is only a few days since i killed a data site running tengu with my stratios that had been cloaked in the site for hours.
If you want to kill other data runners and steal their loot go astero.
If u just want to run sites and hide from all pvp then cov ops frig.
If you can fly a tengu then you should be doing the null combat sites anyway.
Personally i scan in my cov ops and do relic/data and switch to my tengu for combat sites. I live in npc null so i don't have to worry about those bubble camps at nullsec entrance systems though

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Valentina Rudakova
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-03-17 12:05:31 UTC
Hmm ok so the Astero seems to be the best option as it can do the sites and can kill or at least survive some of the ships I may run in to. Would I need those relic/data rigs to enhance my chances of hacking? If some which of the two should I focus on.

Many thanks for the answers so far btw.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-03-17 12:55:20 UTC
Valentina Rudakova wrote:
Hmm ok so the Astero seems to be the best option as it can do the sites and can kill or at least survive some of the ships I may run in to. Would I need those relic/data rigs to enhance my chances of hacking? If some which of the two should I focus on.

Many thanks for the answers so far btw.




The relic /data sites in null can be done with a bonused ship and level 4 hacking skills.
u will lose an occasional can to bad luck but hardly any. The minigame is not a game of luck but a game of skill. some people are bad at it and need lvl 5 skill/rigs.
i would though use at least 1 rig and a midslot for scan str unless you have suberb scanning skills.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2014-03-17 13:00:47 UTC
Valentina Rudakova wrote:
Is cargo space really an issue with relics

Its not and data sites are utterly worthless while relic sites are pretty decent isk.

Also go with the anathema because the astero lacks the recloaking time bonus which will get you killed in gatecamps.

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Valentina Rudakova
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-03-17 13:03:50 UTC
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
Valentina Rudakova wrote:
Is cargo space really an issue with relics

Its not and data sites are utterly worthless while relic sites are pretty decent isk.

Also go with the anathema because the astero lacks the recloaking time bonus which will get you killed in gatecamps.


From what I understood it's only an issue if you recloak from your own ship's cloaking, not from gate cloak? So if I uncloak and jump, then wait 15 seconds I should be able to align and cloak right away?

Not sure though, never flown these SOE ships.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-03-17 13:38:41 UTC
Valentina Rudakova wrote:
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
Valentina Rudakova wrote:
Is cargo space really an issue with relics

Its not and data sites are utterly worthless while relic sites are pretty decent isk.

Also go with the anathema because the astero lacks the recloaking time bonus which will get you killed in gatecamps.


From what I understood it's only an issue if you recloak from your own ship's cloaking, not from gate cloak? So if I uncloak and jump, then wait 15 seconds I should be able to align and cloak right away?

Not sure though, never flown these SOE ships.



Yeah gate cloak is a seperate thing.
i usually decloak my stratios a bit before landing on a gate so that it is ready when i load grid. It is a minor issue but one that gives occaisional problems. It is an annoying long time when i drop probes before i can recloak as well as when i chase people into multiroom plexes and i don't want them seeing me on dscan. (RIP Russian nightmare that my strat tackled in the 3rd room of a plex)

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2014-03-17 14:09:57 UTC
Valentina Rudakova wrote:
Hmm ok so the Astero seems to be the best option as it can do the sites and can kill or at least survive some of the ships I may run in to. Would I need those relic/data rigs to enhance my chances of hacking? If some which of the two should I focus on.


Relic/Data sites in w-space cannot be run by an astero.

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Valentina Rudakova
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-03-17 14:28:18 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Valentina Rudakova wrote:
Hmm ok so the Astero seems to be the best option as it can do the sites and can kill or at least survive some of the ships I may run in to. Would I need those relic/data rigs to enhance my chances of hacking? If some which of the two should I focus on.


Relic/Data sites in w-space cannot be run by an astero.


I know, just using WH to slip in and out of 0.0 systems :)
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2014-03-17 17:50:19 UTC
Valentina Rudakova wrote:
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
Valentina Rudakova wrote:
Is cargo space really an issue with relics

Its not and data sites are utterly worthless while relic sites are pretty decent isk.

Also go with the anathema because the astero lacks the recloaking time bonus which will get you killed in gatecamps.


From what I understood it's only an issue if you recloak from your own ship's cloaking, not from gate cloak? So if I uncloak and jump, then wait 15 seconds I should be able to align and cloak right away?

Not sure though, never flown these SOE ships.


The reactivation delay timer on SOE ships is 30 seconds since they dont get the bonus cov ops ships do, in itself this is not a problem if you remember this but most players eventually slip up, which is why killing asteros is hilariously easy compared to killing regular cov ops frigs.

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Valentina Rudakova
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-03-17 18:35:50 UTC
Hmm, EFT tells me the delay is 15 seconds, not 30. I'll test it out tomorrow when I can fly one.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#15 - 2014-03-17 20:38:35 UTC
They reduced the delay to 15 seconds on the Astero/Stratios. Honestly there's no reason to go with the Astero, the combat abilities are being wasted if you're only running relic/data sites, the tank isn't going to save you if someone catches you, and the scanning bonus is not as good as a CovOps. It's also significantly more expensive. Just use an Anathema with a cheap fit and learn to navigate around nullsec (the only place where these sites are somewhat worth something).
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2014-03-18 03:09:06 UTC
Another vote for the tengu/t3 of choice is to be able to clear ghost sites. They can add a very large income with a bit of luck and a cargo scanner. But you'll need to factor in min tank for the rats/cans.
Valentina Rudakova
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-03-18 10:35:35 UTC
Well, I got the Astero (style matters :P) and did some testing. It's indeed 15 seconds and almost coincides with uncloaking to jump through, actually jumping and then warping off. Adding 1-2 seconds of waiting time before starting to warp is more than enough to counter the timer.

As a fit I've come up with this so far, I realise that a plate and armor repairer aren't the most logical, but from what I understood is that you mostly get attacked by bombers, I want to be able to fight back :) Not sure if this fit will do that or not, I'm still very much open to suggestions.

[Astero, Explorer]
Small Armor Repairer II
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Prototype Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Data Analyzer I
Relic Analyzer I
Cargo Scanner II

Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior II x5
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-03-18 11:50:56 UTC
Valentina Rudakova wrote:
Well, I got the Astero (style matters :P) and did some testing. It's indeed 15 seconds and almost coincides with uncloaking to jump through, actually jumping and then warping off. Adding 1-2 seconds of waiting time before starting to warp is more than enough to counter the timer.

As a fit I've come up with this so far, I realise that a plate and armor repairer aren't the most logical, but from what I understood is that you mostly get attacked by bombers, I want to be able to fight back :) Not sure if this fit will do that or not, I'm still very much open to suggestions.

[Astero, Explorer]
Small Armor Repairer II
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Prototype Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Data Analyzer I
Relic Analyzer I
Cargo Scanner II

Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior II x5


Without a point they'll just run. Fit for speed, and/or a stab or 2

No Worries
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-03-18 13:57:21 UTC
Valentina Rudakova wrote:
Well, I got the Astero (style matters :P) and did some testing. It's indeed 15 seconds and almost coincides with uncloaking to jump through, actually jumping and then warping off. Adding 1-2 seconds of waiting time before starting to warp is more than enough to counter the timer.

As a fit I've come up with this so far, I realise that a plate and armor repairer aren't the most logical, but from what I understood is that you mostly get attacked by bombers, I want to be able to fight back :) Not sure if this fit will do that or not, I'm still very much open to suggestions.

[Astero, Explorer]
Small Armor Repairer II
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Prototype Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Data Analyzer I
Relic Analyzer I
Cargo Scanner II

Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior II x5


could i suggest a small anc armor repper?
i am also not a fan of 200mm plate as they add so little buffer. maybe one of those adapt nano membranes if u have fitting issues? also it needs a scram to catch the T2 frigs in the relic sites otherwise why even use an astero for this task?

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85