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Next Alliance Tournament - mobile depots allowed?
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TheMercenaryKing
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Pandemic Legion
#1 - 2014-03-16 16:41:25 UTC
straight forward, will mobile depots be allowed in the alliance tournament?

Personally i do not think so as they allow the refitting on the fly, which means essentially a general setup with a cargo bay of counters: Smartbombs, neuts, tank fits, ect.

At the same time refitting is also a valid tactic, but would there be too much in allowing this?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#2 - 2014-03-16 16:47:48 UTC
Refitting while aggressed without the use of a vulnerable ship like an Orca or carrier is a cancer and scourge upon PvP, as it undermines the advantage of appropriate planning and preparation. I certainly hope they will not be allowed.

It's unlikely you'll get an official answer to the question here, though.

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-03-16 17:00:05 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Refitting while aggressed without the use of a vulnerable ship like an Orca or carrier is a cancer and scourge upon PvP, as it undermines the advantage of appropriate planning and preparation. I certainly hope they will not be allowed.

It's unlikely you'll get an official answer to the question here, though.




They're made of tissue paper and useless when reinforced.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#4 - 2014-03-16 17:05:48 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Refitting while aggressed without the use of a vulnerable ship like an Orca or carrier is a cancer and scourge upon PvP, as it undermines the advantage of appropriate planning and preparation. I certainly hope they will not be allowed.

It's unlikely you'll get an official answer to the question here, though.


They're made of tissue paper and useless when reinforced.


Hmm, you're right, they would probably not be much use due to getting shot. I suppose they'd have less impact than I first thought. Doesn't mean I hate the depots any less, but at least they won't ruin the AT.

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Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#5 - 2014-03-16 17:43:14 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Refitting while aggressed without the use of a vulnerable ship like an Orca or carrier is a cancer and scourge upon PvP, as it undermines the advantage of appropriate planning and preparation. I certainly hope they will not be allowed.

It's unlikely you'll get an official answer to the question here, though.

Refitting while aggressed period is a problem, if anything carriers and orcas are the bigger problem since they're much harder to kill than depots.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#6 - 2014-03-16 17:49:19 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Refitting while aggressed without the use of a vulnerable ship like an Orca or carrier is a cancer and scourge upon PvP, as it undermines the advantage of appropriate planning and preparation. I certainly hope they will not be allowed.

It's unlikely you'll get an official answer to the question here, though.

Refitting while aggressed period is a problem, if anything carriers and orcas are the bigger problem since they're much harder to kill than depots.

They do represent an actual substantial risk being taken, though. Depots can fit in almost any ship, and hardly cost anything.

I'd be happy removing all combat refitting, but in the event that would be too controversial (cause too much crying) and CCP is unwilling to do it, I'd also take just removing it from mobile depots.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#7 - 2014-03-16 18:34:23 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Drake Doe wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Refitting while aggressed without the use of a vulnerable ship like an Orca or carrier is a cancer and scourge upon PvP, as it undermines the advantage of appropriate planning and preparation. I certainly hope they will not be allowed.

It's unlikely you'll get an official answer to the question here, though.

Refitting while aggressed period is a problem, if anything carriers and orcas are the bigger problem since they're much harder to kill than depots.

They do represent an actual substantial risk being taken, though. Depots can fit in almost any ship, and hardly cost anything.

I'd be happy removing all combat refitting, but in the event that would be too controversial (cause too much crying) and CCP is unwilling to do it, I'd also take just removing it from mobile depots.


The entire concept of a mobile fitting unit is kind of dumb, period.
The ONLY place I can see it having value is if you are solo explorer in deep hostile space, with no hope of docking to refit from an exploration fit to a more tanky PvE fit.

Being able to swap fits because you realize you brought a knife to a gun fight defeats the entire purpose of spending time building meta's for combat, or designing a fleet composition that can handle any potential engagement.
Taal Khurin
Acorn Harvesting
#8 - 2014-03-16 18:37:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Taal Khurin
I've seen quite a few industrials used over the years, but are orcas, mining barges and even say freighters allowed? I'm guessing probably not.

and in regards to the mobile depot being squishy. If the team warps in at the furthest point that give them a fair amount of time to refit before the depot is in range of any big guns potentially.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#9 - 2014-03-16 18:44:37 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The ONLY place I can see it having value is if you are solo explorer in deep hostile space, with no hope of docking to refit from an exploration fit to a more tanky PvE fit.

It's also useful in some other cases, mainly when docking means death (or docking is impossible). In my corp's home lowsec system, for example, we have a rule: "docking is allowed and free; undocking is prohibited". It's led to some hilariously upset people in the past. Had they used a mobile depot, it would have gone better for them. I am completely fine with that use of the mobile depot. I'm just not ok with using it while under fire.

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Taal Khurin
Acorn Harvesting
#10 - 2014-03-16 18:47:18 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The ONLY place I can see it having value is if you are solo explorer in deep hostile space, with no hope of docking to refit from an exploration fit to a more tanky PvE fit.

It's also useful in some other cases, mainly when docking means death (or docking is impossible). In my corp's home lowsec system, for example, we have a rule: "docking is allowed and free; undocking is prohibited". It's led to some hilariously upset people in the past. Had they used a mobile depot, it would have gone better for them. I am completely fine with that use of the mobile depot. I'm just not ok with using it while under fire.


Isn't your corp rule back to front? Hmm...
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#11 - 2014-03-16 18:52:39 UTC
Taal Khurin wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The ONLY place I can see it having value is if you are solo explorer in deep hostile space, with no hope of docking to refit from an exploration fit to a more tanky PvE fit.

It's also useful in some other cases, mainly when docking means death (or docking is impossible). In my corp's home lowsec system, for example, we have a rule: "docking is allowed and free; undocking is prohibited". It's led to some hilariously upset people in the past. Had they used a mobile depot, it would have gone better for them. I am completely fine with that use of the mobile depot. I'm just not ok with using it while under fire.


Isn't your corp rule back to front? Hmm...

Shots... fired? Maybe?

I'm not even sure what you're trying to imply.

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Taal Khurin
Acorn Harvesting
#12 - 2014-03-16 19:04:43 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Taal Khurin wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The ONLY place I can see it having value is if you are solo explorer in deep hostile space, with no hope of docking to refit from an exploration fit to a more tanky PvE fit.

It's also useful in some other cases, mainly when docking means death (or docking is impossible). In my corp's home lowsec system, for example, we have a rule: "docking is allowed and free; undocking is prohibited". It's led to some hilariously upset people in the past. Had they used a mobile depot, it would have gone better for them. I am completely fine with that use of the mobile depot. I'm just not ok with using it while under fire.


Isn't your corp rule back to front? Hmm...

Shots... fired? Maybe?

I'm not even sure what you're trying to imply.


No i wasn't trying to be rude or anything. Just i thought ""undocking is allowed and free; docking is prohibited" would make a better rule. Like you're not allowed to come back to the station until you've been blown up or somesuch.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-03-16 19:22:33 UTC
Taal Khurin wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Taal Khurin wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The ONLY place I can see it having value is if you are solo explorer in deep hostile space, with no hope of docking to refit from an exploration fit to a more tanky PvE fit.

It's also useful in some other cases, mainly when docking means death (or docking is impossible). In my corp's home lowsec system, for example, we have a rule: "docking is allowed and free; undocking is prohibited". It's led to some hilariously upset people in the past. Had they used a mobile depot, it would have gone better for them. I am completely fine with that use of the mobile depot. I'm just not ok with using it while under fire.


Isn't your corp rule back to front? Hmm...

Shots... fired? Maybe?

I'm not even sure what you're trying to imply.


No i wasn't trying to be rude or anything. Just i thought ""undocking is allowed and free; docking is prohibited" would make a better rule. Like you're not allowed to come back to the station until you've been blown up or somesuch.


...Yarr!

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#14 - 2014-03-16 19:49:59 UTC
Taal Khurin wrote:
No i wasn't trying to be rude or anything. Just i thought ""undocking is allowed and free; docking is prohibited" would make a better rule. Like you're not allowed to come back to the station until you've been blown up or somesuch.

"Docking is prohibited" is unenforceable though, since we're in lowsec. Committing the crime makes the similar safe from repercussions. On the other hand, when someone undocks, they are almost immediately able to have repercussions applied to them. To be all-encompassing I suppose we could say "messing with our station is prohibited", but that's no fun.

Lugia3 wrote:
...Yarr!


That's the spirit! Pirate

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