EVE General Discussion

Sometimes I want kick the Eve community straight in the balls (or whatever they have down there).

Other times I want to hug them or shake their hand.

It's a love/hate/love/hate/hate kinda thing.

LOL "mining permits"

INB4 Divine Entervention expecting me to play the game...his way.

I love this game and I firmly believe it attracts the best gamers.

Why? Simple: natural selection. To succeed in EVE 3 traits are absolutely necessary:

1. Intelligence
2. Toughness / persistence
3. Social skills

EVE's complexity, harshness and the fact that it greatly rewards teamwork eventually weeds out lazy unsociable morons and retains smart, tenacious and sociable people.

Appearances can be deceiving.

Having frequented a few country clubs and biker bars in my time, I can tell you that though someone may be overtly rude or callous to your face in a biker bar, in a country club they are do it instead behind your back.

I find it interesting that behavioural traits that would not be tolerated in real life are actively encouraged by many of the more vocal members of the Eve community. Not only that but CCP do nothing to prevent or even police such behaviour. Let's be honest, the only reason the Mittani got even a temporary ban was due to the fact that he made his comments in an extremely public time and place where they couldn't ignore it. Far worse examples of bad behaviour, many of which have long since crossed the border into cyber-bullying, happen every day within the "sandbox".

While CCP are unwilling to police the bad behaviour of their players, sooner or later someone is going to be pushed too far. With such a large player base, it's almost a certainty that some players may have real-life self esteem or mental health issues. Such vulnerable people are seen be most griefers and trolls (and let's be honest here: bullies) as easy prey. Now don't get me wrong, CCP have gone above and beyond the call of duty on some occasions in making sure that players are safe in real life after reports of comments made by the victims of griefing have made a threat to harm themselves, but what would happen if such an incident wasn't noticed or reported?

Let's go on a small thought experiment here. What do you think would happen if a player did something to themselves that ended in them taking their own life, and all the evidence pointed to bad behaviour by players in Eve being the final straw? We know how quickly news spreads in this modern world in which we live, and bad news spreads even faster. Such an event could spiral quickly into a media firestorm with CCP at the centre due to their perceived lack of controls over player bad behaviour.

So then what? Suddenly CCP starts getting a LOT of bad press. Assuming that the game survived, they would likely be forced to start intervening directly in people's precious "sandbox". By that point, the game would start to freefall as new customers are put off by the alleged 'toxic' atmosphere in-game, and those players who give free reign to their id can no longer indulge themselves.

So in essence, what I am saying is that a freeform "sandbox" is absolutely fine, but try and remember that other players are people too, not just emotional punching bags to vent the frustrations of a bad day on. Basically, I think that the onus is on Eve players to bring a little of the self restraint they have in real life into their game lives. I think that the "sandbox" will be a richer and healthier place for it.

Well, you are mostly right. Though in calling for people not to behave unreasonably upon seeing their stuff explode you seem to have inadvertently missed those people who have a bad day and go out and instigate griefing (and I mean some of the more heinous acts of bad behaviour and cyber bullying, not just the odd bit of ganking) under the guise of emergent gameplay, in order to feel better about themselves.

Now enjoying the sandbox and emergent gameplay is one thing, but all things in moderation is, after all, far better for everyone.

If it makes them feel better about themselves, then who am I or anyone else to deny them that or blame them for that?
Somthing to think about, that.

As long as players dont break the rules of the game, they are just playing the game, same as everyone else.

If someone breaks the rules, then by all means, hit f12 and submit a ticket.
In my opinion and experience, CCP provides some of the finest and most prompt Customer Support in this regard in any game I have played. So good, infact, that the only game I have played worthy of comparison, was/is UO. And that is a high standard indeed.


I think it bears reminding that you can actively screen who can contact you ingame, with the games Block function, and also by raising the contact service cost.

What one person subjectively considers bad behavior, is ultimately just that, one persons opinion.

It is, for example, considered bad behavior to eat with your mouth ooen or to burp at some dining tables, whereas at others it is co sidered the norm. In some societies it is considered unnacceptable for women to wear revealing clothing whereas in others it is actively encouraged. Even within EVE, in some corps some behavior is considered good, whereas in another it is considered bad.

Every individual ofc has the right to determine for themselves what they consider good or bad, but that right does not extend to dictating over that same right in other people to also determine for themselves what is good or bad.

Or do you think that my personal delineation between good and bad, overrides your own..?
Am I in a position to dictate to you how you should behave according to my own perspective?
This is not a rhetorical question, I would appreciate an answer.

Can I dictate to you, how you should behave and what you can or cannot do?

Griefing in EVE Online is a EULA violation. If you encounter a griefer, you should report them for it. They will likely be banned. CCP is really good at enforcing the rules, which is why griefing is so exceedingly rare in this particular game.

Just don't make the mistake of reporting people who are engaging in valid forms of gameplay which do not violate any rules. Accusing people who are merely bumping miners, wardeccing, suicide ganking, scamming, AWOXing, or enjoying a bit of friendly smacktalk of griefing is uncool, as it makes more work for our dedicated GMs to sort through. If you have questions about what activities may or may not be against the rules, you can generally find the answers with a quick check of the EULA and ToS, or a forum search for GM decisions. If you are still unsure, it is better to file a petition for clarification of the rules than it is to toss around false accusations.

Yeah after hearing how bad this community was, I looked at MWO

we're kittens really lol Hell the devs could teach CCP some lessons on how to **** off and alienate their players



I wonder how much of this **** they have to wade through in a day lol