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How much of a sec status hit do you take to suicide gank someone?
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1 - 2014-03-13 18:34:32 UTC
Getting tired of ninja looters who know you wont shoot back lol

Im kinda thinking I wanna kill one in a suicide destroyer. My status is 5.0 atm, Im in a .9 system, how much status drop does it incur and will I still be cool in the .9 system? Obviously Ive never done it before

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-03-13 18:37:39 UTC
you'd be fine suiciding, but they're flagging themselves anyway, aren't they?

besides that, there's a good number of ninjas that want you to shoot them, and looting can be a waste of time anyway
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#3 - 2014-03-13 18:39:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Benny Ohu wrote:
you'd be fine suiciding, but they're flagging themselves anyway, aren't they?

besides that, there's a good number of ninjas that want you to shoot them, and looting can be a waste of time anyway


He wasnt flagged grabbing my stuff. I just wanna do it cause I wanna try it at this point lol

Ah yeah, I remember now, they get you to shoot them then jump their friends/alts the T3 ships in and kill you I remember the scheme now

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-03-13 18:39:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Aivo Dresden
Easily. Going from 0 to -1 takes like 6-7 ganks. It can easily be upped again by just doing some missions against pirate factions. Or incursions.

I don't have the exact math, but I'm sure someone else will post it, probably. :P

Edit:
This is from EVEINFO:
Quote:

Sec Status
You will lose 0.1sec for firing on a non-war target.
You will lose 0.2sec for destroying a non-war target.
You will lose 2.0sec for podding a target. DON'T DO IT.
If you are the unfortunate chap to actually pop the target, you will lose .3, while everyone else loses .1. On the plus side, you get the killmail. HURRR.
Once you have been concorded, you'll be sitting in a pod. CONCORD will not pod you. You can hang around to watch the fallout, or scoot back to a station. You will have an aggro timer of 15 minutes once popped by CONCORD. If you fit a new ship and undock within that 15 minutes, you'll get concorded again. Wait out your aggro timer in your pod.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-03-13 18:41:59 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
He wasnt flagged grabbing my stuff. I just wanna do it cause I wanna try it at this point lol

Ah yeah, I remember now, they get you to shoot them then jump their friends the T3 ships in and kill you I remember the scheme now

:/ but if they take your loot they get a suspect tag

and if you attack a suspect they can't have their friends helping
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#6 - 2014-03-13 18:43:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Benny Ohu wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
He wasnt flagged grabbing my stuff. I just wanna do it cause I wanna try it at this point lol

Ah yeah, I remember now, they get you to shoot them then jump their friends the T3 ships in and kill you I remember the scheme now

:/ but if they take your loot they get a suspect tag

and if you attack a suspect they can't have their friends helping


Huh, Ill have to watch for that. Maybe he was just salvage stealing. Im ambivalent about that part really lol

If someone suspect flags themselves you can shoot them, not get CONCORDed and Im guessing their friends will get it if they attack you?

Dont think I was here when they put that system in - I took a vacation a while

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Sarah McKnobbo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-03-14 02:16:37 UTC
Yeah no flashy means they were either salvaging or trying to bait you into getting concorded.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-03-14 02:17:35 UTC
And it only costs ~300m ISK to buy the tags to get your sec status back to 0.0 from -9 so there isn't much issue.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#9 - 2014-03-14 02:22:49 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
And it only costs ~300m ISK to buy the tags to get your sec status back to 0.0 from -9 so there isn't much issue.


It's up above that lately, to about 400 or so.

And to the OP, if he's just salvaging your wrecks, then you will have to suicide him. If he grabs any loot he will flag himself for you to fire upon.

Depending on what you're flying, you may have more avenues to screw with a ninja looter. I know that turret or missile based mission battleships very often have little use for their drones, so dropping an MTU with a flight of salvage drones can get the wrecks and make it rather unprofitable for them to select your mission to invade.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#10 - 2014-03-15 16:24:19 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
And it only costs ~300m ISK to buy the tags to get your sec status back to 0.0 from -9 so there isn't much issue.


It's up above that lately, to about 400 or so.

And to the OP, if he's just salvaging your wrecks, then you will have to suicide him. If he grabs any loot he will flag himself for you to fire upon.

Depending on what you're flying, you may have more avenues to screw with a ninja looter. I know that turret or missile based mission battleships very often have little use for their drones, so dropping an MTU with a flight of salvage drones can get the wrecks and make it rather unprofitable for them to select your mission to invade.


Was flying two Scorpion Navy Issue (kind of why I didnt want to fire on him myself or wanted to dock up then suicide him lol).

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-03-16 05:21:20 UTC
He is already flaging himself suspect (Can kill his ship + pod) by stealing your wrecks. If you abandon your wrecks, he doesn't get a timer.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#12 - 2014-03-16 05:22:41 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
He is already flaging himself suspect (Can kill his ship + pod) by stealing your wrecks. If you abandon your wrecks, he doesn't get a timer.


Ill remember that XD

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

WASPY69
Xerum.
#13 - 2014-03-16 09:56:24 UTC
You mentioned you wanted to do it in a .9 system? You wouldn't get off enough volley's to kill him in time.
Let me provide you with some very useful links! First of all you can read about the math regarding suicide ganking and the CONCORD response times relative to the sec status of the system over at Monks website (I suggest you read the other articles too, excellent read!).
Second, make sure you have a maximum gank fit destroyer for the job. Head over to minerbumping to read about ganking.

Best of luck good sir!

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-03-16 10:00:32 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Getting tired of ninja looters who know you wont shoot back lol

Im kinda thinking I wanna kill one in a suicide destroyer. My status is 5.0 atm, Im in a .9 system, how much status drop does it incur and will I still be cool in the .9 system? Obviously Ive never done it before

don't forget about killrights you will give him.

killright is bad when you do missions

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Marius Rousseau
Guardians of the Underworld
#15 - 2014-03-16 10:58:45 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Getting tired of ninja looters who know you wont shoot back lol

Im kinda thinking I wanna kill one in a suicide destroyer. My status is 5.0 atm, Im in a .9 system, how much status drop does it incur and will I still be cool in the .9 system? Obviously Ive never done it before


Don't ask the question, just do it and find out for yourself.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#16 - 2014-03-16 14:52:08 UTC
WASPY69 wrote:
You mentioned you wanted to do it in a .9 system? You wouldn't get off enough volley's to kill him in time.
Let me provide you with some very useful links! First of all you can read about the math regarding suicide ganking and the CONCORD response times relative to the sec status of the system over at Monks website (I suggest you read the other articles too, excellent read!).
Second, make sure you have a maximum gank fit destroyer for the job. Head over to minerbumping to read about ganking.

Best of luck good sir!


THX! Unless you look closely your pic sorta looks like Morpheus lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#17 - 2014-03-16 14:57:51 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Getting tired of ninja looters who know you wont shoot back lol

Im kinda thinking I wanna kill one in a suicide destroyer. My status is 5.0 atm, Im in a .9 system, how much status drop does it incur and will I still be cool in the .9 system? Obviously Ive never done it before

don't forget about killrights you will give him.

killright is bad when you do missions

THIS

Ninja looters generally WANT you to shoot them and unless you know exactly what you're doing it is extremely inadvisable.
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#18 - 2014-03-16 14:59:41 UTC
BTW just posting a thread like this might well get you wardecced.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#19 - 2014-03-16 15:00:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
March rabbit wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Getting tired of ninja looters who know you wont shoot back lol

Im kinda thinking I wanna kill one in a suicide destroyer. My status is 5.0 atm, Im in a .9 system, how much status drop does it incur and will I still be cool in the .9 system? Obviously Ive never done it before

don't forget about killrights you will give him.

killright is bad when you do missions


Thats why you take a day off. I wasnt planning on jumping back into a mission after killing him lol

AkJon Ferguson wrote:
BTW just posting a thread like this might well get you wardecced.


Obvious alt is obvious (IE me)

I dont think Ive EVER logged in on this guy other than to form the alt corp so waste your wardecs all you want lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#20 - 2014-03-16 15:33:28 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:


Thats why you take a day off. I wasnt planning on jumping back into a mission after killing him lol


You do mean a month off, eh? That's how long kill rights last.
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