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...its just a game...

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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-03-14 21:06:24 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
I hear this quite often when bad behaviour is beeing excused in chats and postings.
Well, yes, thats true, but even the participation in Online Games has repercussions in RL. Yes it IS a game, but real People are sitting on the other side of the monitors playing this game. Being connected to the characters in game.
What am i up to?

EvE is EvE a place where people can scam, gank, grief. Steal your trust and assets and ruin years of (real lifes) work.
You should know that when you play the game.

But:
When i see a certain scammer calling him "the only legit ISK doubler" i see someone who takes people out of eve, forces them into teamspeak and torture those people for 4-5 hours, i think CCP tolerates quite heavy missbehaviour.
The scam is, that you want to double the ISK you are told that you "won a bonus round", but only after you already sent the money. You are told the bonusround is won by beeing the 100thd double job, which is a lie.
legit? does the bio explain the won "bonus round"?
quite absurd that ppl do not realise that they got scammed, when they are told to have "absolute faith" in the scammer.
Absolute faith? in eve?
more absurdity, to continue you have to come into ts, give all assets to trusted ppl in the chat and give your API keys away.
After that, those victims do almost everything "voluntarily" since they have everything given away and rules are made up like the guys like.
New Eden is a harsh world, but this isn't a part of EvE anymore. EvE is abused to torture naive gamers for hours and force them to give up their dignity. The "Game" at that moment happens in RL and EvE is just a Tool for abuse.

Some ppl have such a major social misalignement, that even CCP shouldnt tolerate or overlook.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Lady Areola Fappington
#2 - 2014-03-14 21:14:40 UTC
How hard is it to just say "no"?

"Log in to this teamspeak server and sing for me!"
"Uhhh, no thanks."


7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
One Eyed Runner
GetYaTitsOut
#3 - 2014-03-14 21:15:49 UTC
I am in Jita most of the time and has over 2k plus scammers blocked and there are hundreds of new ones every day (truth be told, Jita is the cesspool of eve), but hey, if you don't want to play their game or listen to them then block. I think its funny people still fall for all the same old scams over and over agin

I live in Jita so f*ck off
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#4 - 2014-03-14 21:16:10 UTC
Oh god, someone is running a really tame version of Noel Edmonds house party over teamspeak, someone call the UN.
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-03-14 21:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Doireen Kaundur
May I recommend The Psychology of Cyberspace

You will learn not to take any social interactions online seriously

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#6 - 2014-03-14 21:17:26 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
quite absurd that ppl realise that they got scammed, when they are told to have "absolute faith" in the scammer.


Well, yes.

The best scams play on the fact that for a number of people, greed overrides good sense. I'm not sure what CCP can or should do about that.

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Serene Repose
#7 - 2014-03-14 21:17:47 UTC
Yeah. Go out in March Madness, clothesline a driving point-guard, and as his bench clears (heading in your direction) turn to the ref and tell him that. "It's just a game." THEN, find a good dentist to get those new caps. "It's just a game."

I'll tell you who says "It's just a game." Idiots. But, then, if you can figure out how to keep an idiot quiet, let us know. Nobel might even invent a special prize just for you.

*Grabs her nine-mil and heads out for football practice.*

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Shitty Shitty Pants
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-03-14 21:22:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Shitty Shitty Pants
Well I think the OP has a point. CCP can just ban people they don't perceive as healthy for the community. They choose not to purely as a means of maximizing subscription amounts.

I've unsubscribed for 6 months and counting as a result; spend an extra few hours a month grinding to make the ISK instead. I have no issue throwing $500 a year at this game as I play it often enough, but I can't support High School Online when the principals aren't expelling anyone. Hopefully other people do the same; unsubscribe and list the reason as, "mistreating people in your game has no repercussions".

Maybe when they have to fire another 20% of their staff, they'll realize they need to actually do something. The amount of people who play for a few months only to leave is truly a massive number, and I reckon the lack of enforcement against anti-social behavior is the leading reason.

EDIT: I am NOT talking about scammers or arbitrary actions commited in the game. I am talking about player social interaction. Example: Convincing someone you'll double his ISK if he rubs mayo all over his body and sends you the pictures.
Lady Areola Fappington
#9 - 2014-03-14 21:23:10 UTC
One Eyed Runner wrote:
I am in Jita most of the time and has over 2k plus scammers blocked and there are hundreds of new ones every day (truth be told, Jita is the cesspool of eve), but hey, if you don't want to play their game or listen to them then block. I think its funny people still fall for all the same old scams over and over agin


I wonder a lot about people who do fall for the more obvious scams in EVE. I mean, if I walked up to random people on the street and said "Hey man, give me ten dollars...I'll give you twenty back!", I doubt I'd make anything.

Take it to EVE though, and we got peoples throwing the ISK away.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Lady Areola Fappington
#10 - 2014-03-14 21:25:07 UTC
****** ****** Pants wrote:
Well I think the OP has a point. CCP can just ban people they don't perceive as healthy for the community. They choose not to purely as a means of maximizing subscription amounts.

I've unsubscribed for 6 months and counting as a result; spend an extra few hours a month grinding to make the ISK instead. I have no issue throwing $500 a year at this game as I play it often enough, but I can't support High School Online when the principals aren't expelling anyone. Hopefully other people do the same; unsubscribe and list the reason as, "mistreating people in your game has no repercussions".

Maybe when they have to fire another 20% of their staff, they'll realize they need to actually do something.




You do know, if you're PLEXing your account, CCP is making more money off you than via standard subscription. SOMEONE bought that PLEX you got on the market.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-03-14 21:25:41 UTC
some ppl cant realise that morals are not for situation and dont vanish when theirs a game in the middle. it sux Ugh
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-03-14 21:28:09 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
quite absurd that ppl realise that they got scammed, when they are told to have "absolute faith" in the scammer.


Well, yes.

The best scams play on the fact that for a number of people, greed overrides good sense. I'm not sure what CCP can or should do about that.


The naivity of the victims his unbelievable for me, however pulling ppl out into to TS and out of EvE got me upset. I even see then fun part in it, but doing that for -hours- and then blaming the victims further at their websides is quite a lot.

So is that still EvE?

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-03-14 21:29:25 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Yeah. Go out in March Madness, clothesline a driving point-guard, and as his bench clears (heading in your direction) turn to the ref and tell him that. "It's just a game." THEN, find a good dentist to get those new caps. "It's just a game."

I'll tell you who says "It's just a game." Idiots. But, then, if you can figure out how to keep an idiot quiet, let us know. Nobel might even invent a special prize just for you.

*Grabs her nine-mil and heads out for football practice.*
Gawd. Tell us what you REALLY think, Serene...and that name...it's just a cover, right?

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Lady Areola Fappington
#14 - 2014-03-14 21:30:56 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
some ppl cant realise that morals are not for situation and dont vanish when theirs a game in the middle. it sux Ugh



Morals are entirely subjective and situational. More wars have been fought and lives lost over differences in "morality" than anything.

You may consider it immoral to accept, or offer a bribe. In some cultures, bribery is an established practice, and those who refuse are considered the immoral ones.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#15 - 2014-03-14 21:33:44 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Yeah. Go out in March Madness, clothesline a driving point-guard, and as his bench clears (heading in your direction) turn to the ref and tell him that. "It's just a game." THEN, find a good dentist to get those new caps. "It's just a game."

I'll tell you who says "It's just a game." Idiots. But, then, if you can figure out how to keep an idiot quiet, let us know. Nobel might even invent a special prize just for you.

*Grabs her nine-mil and heads out for football practice.*
Is clotheslining people in basketball within the rules of the game? It's not as far as I know, doing so is not even part of the game, so the "it's just a game" argument is moot.

In Eve however pretty much anything goes, if CCP are fine with it then it's within the rules of the game, and thus part of the game. We can therefore rightfully claim that despite the tears that it's just a game, because we've abided by the rules in effect.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#16 - 2014-03-14 21:40:29 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Yeah. Go out in March Madness, clothesline a driving point-guard, and as his bench clears (heading in your direction) turn to the ref and tell him that. "It's just a game." THEN, find a good dentist to get those new caps. "It's just a game."

I'll tell you who says "It's just a game." Idiots. But, then, if you can figure out how to keep an idiot quiet, let us know. Nobel might even invent a special prize just for you.

*Grabs her nine-mil and heads out for football practice.*


This is honestly one of the worst analogies I have ever seen.

Essentually you are compairing a physical game with a virtural game... Which there is no comparison.

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Vyl Vit
#17 - 2014-03-14 21:41:10 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
Yeah. Go out in March Madness, clothesline a driving point-guard, and as his bench clears (heading in your direction) turn to the ref and tell him that. "It's just a game." THEN, find a good dentist to get those new caps. "It's just a game."

I'll tell you who says "It's just a game." Idiots. But, then, if you can figure out how to keep an idiot quiet, let us know. Nobel might even invent a special prize just for you.

*Grabs her nine-mil and heads out for football practice.*
Is clotheslining people in basketball within the rules of the game? It's not as far as I know, doing so is not even part of the game, so the "it's just a game" argument is moot.

In Eve however pretty much anything goes, if CCP are fine with it then it's within the rules of the game, and thus part of the game. We can therefore rightfully claim that despite the tears that it's just a game, because we've abided by the rules in effect.

No. It's not "in the game" per se. But, accidents DO happen, and in such a case WHY would anyone want to be upset.

-1 (went for the obvious)

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#18 - 2014-03-14 21:43:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
La Rynx wrote:
The naivity of the victims his unbelievable for me, however pulling ppl out into to TS and out of EvE got me upset. I even see then fun part in it, but doing that for -hours- and then blaming the victims further at their websides is quite a lot.

So is that still EvE?
Nobody is forcing them to humiliate themselves, it's quite easy to say no.

The people that get pulled into episodes like the bonus room all have one thing in common, greed. Their greed gets the better of them, they think that they can beat the house, when the house sets the rules, and they willing make complete spectacles of themselves to satisfy their own greed, how is that not their own fault?

Vyl Vit wrote:
No. It's not "in the game" per se. But, accidents DO happen, and in such a case WHY would anyone want to be upset.

-1 (went for the obvious)
Lol, not quite so obvious, I had to look up march madness, here it generally refers to the local council spanking the last of the budget so that they don't get less money from the government in the next one.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Brylan Grey
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-03-14 21:45:17 UTC
This is EVE.

There is no truth and everyone are scammers.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-03-14 21:45:49 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
In Eve however pretty much anything goes, if CCP are fine with it then it's within the rules of the game, and thus part of the game.


Thats my Point:
In EvE
This is pulled out of EvE and commpletly handled in TS and thats not fine anymore.
TheMittani got kicked for his drunktalk.

This guy humiliations got so far, i would be afraid to get my real name in the open RLif i would be him.
Thats what i mean, the "game" has to stop.

Be evil in eve but leave it there.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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