Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This idea came about from this thread, so I am proposing it here:

It takes 1 billion isk + skills to form an alliance.

How much does a wardec cost?

It costs 50 million isk, plus an additional cost for each member in the target corporation/alliance above 51. It will now start to increase with the 51st member and reach the ceiling of 500 million ISK at 2000 members.

War is very trivial in EVE. A 1000 member corp can declare war on a 5 member corp. That's not war, thats extortion and it trivializes the whole concept of war.

I think perhaps an inverse proportion cost might work. The less members a target wardec corp has, the more it will cost you to wardec them as well as the addition of Wardec skills to Corp/Alliance skills.

+1, great idea.

The cost of wardeccing is hardly the most pressing issue in high sec warfare mechanics but sure let's go there:

Why should it cost more to war dec a very large corp or alliance?
Because you're paying for the cops to look the other way while you fly about killing people and destroying things. Overlooking a couple of incidents is easy but a thousand people being hunted across 'secure' space stands out.
Because you're inconveniencing a very large number of players in order to get your kill mails without leaving your cozy high sec space.
Because the cost is hardly prohibitive (certainly doesn't seem to be stopping anyone) and a proportional relationship between the number of new targets available to the aggressor and the cost of that aggression fits well with the current meta.

That said, the current war declaration mechanic does allow for some truly ridiculous behavior.
A thousand man corp can afford to hold a small corp in permanent war without any notable cost (they sneeze that the 50mil).
A single payment to some intangible authority allows for total and unrestricted warfare across four wildly different empires whose police forces are apparently also on the take.
A one man corp can war dec a thousand man alliance and inconvenience them for as long as he has the fund to do so (potentially forever) without fear of repurcussion.


As a counter proposal:
War declarations should come in the form of a Payoff Pool. When a corp/alliance war decs another they pay a lump sum (50 mil lets say) plus an arbitrary amount. The lump sum pays off the concord listening posts for a week and can be renewed just like now. The pool is emptied each time a battle occurs by a small fixed amount plus a portion of the value of ships and pods lost. When the pool hits zero the authorities are no longer willing to look the other way and the war ends. If the war is not renewed the pool is lost. This way the aggressor must bid on how much damage they think they'll be able to inflict and the defender can only lose so much so fast. Naturally the aggressor would be able to add to the pool at any time in order to keep the war going (ie keep the police looking the wrong way).

Whatever the reason, it makes no sense.

I'm not denying this could be their intent, but if it is that is incredibly short-sighted on their part.

The vast, vast, vast majority of players I know who have quit the game have quit the game for one of the two reasons:
1) Their small corp was wardecced endlessly, causing them to lose motivation in playing
2) They joined a bigger corp which was also wardecced endlessly, causing them to lose motivation in playing.

New players do not want to deal with unrestricted PVP in high-sec. Until CCP introduces a sub-corp - something like a corp but with less benefits and no aggression - these players will continue to leave meanwhile CCP lays off 20% of it's staff and wonders why.

+1

Awwww, you got inconvenienced? By one pilot? Your thousand man alliance can't defend against one pilot?

You should definitely go cry to CCP to stop that from happening.

the game is the wild west, not just lower sec space. hi sec is not safe. anyone can ruin ur day at any time.

and at anytime if u try to take the same resources in the same area as me, ill either war dec u myself or hire someone to war dec u until u learn not to touch my stuff.

oh and, welcome to EVE

i would love to see some mechanic where the price goes up based on the security level you wish the wardec to be active in. just like, you don't commit a major crime in the police lobby and expect to get away with it clean, the higher the security of the wardec, the more expensive the cost.

You only want to deal with targets crossing into highsec from lowsec, only pay for a 0.6 and below wardec, so the activities in 0.7 and above space are relatively safe. but you can follow your targets waiting for them to make the wrong jump and blam, guns are hot. You rally want to turn up the screws, pay for a 1.0 wardec and hunt your targets anywhere.