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Why is eve being full of scamers gankers bumpers and liars?

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flakeys
Doomheim
#321 - 2014-03-14 14:36:57 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
I think we're about there, now.


ibtl Cool




Nah give it a few more pages ... i'd say 3 more Blink

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Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#322 - 2014-03-14 14:37:19 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
A game driven by the choices of the individuals within.
So you're saying that you're a bad person since you made the same choice, then.

Does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar?


No, because I do not lie to, or steal from people. The OP listed a clear situation where she was lied to with the intention of ruining her gameplay. I make the choice to not treat people like that. Am I bad person for something? Of course. We're all imperfect in one way or another. Mine just happens not to be my interaction with people. And since I make the choice to treat others fairly and with respect so long as they demonstrate their objective isn't to try and hurt me, that makes me a good person.

I do not play poker. Any reference you choose to make about poker I will remind you with the fact that it is a game I do not play.


You are an arrogant ass hole, which makes you a bad person.
Digits Kho
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#323 - 2014-03-14 14:38:41 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
Why is eve being full of scamers gankers bumpers and liars?

Cuz thats all you choose to see
Helia Tranquilis
Confused Bunnies Inc
#324 - 2014-03-14 14:55:03 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Its a very thin technicality that keeps them afloat. And may not last in the long term.

You mean the technicality of not breaking any rules? No, I think that one will last them quite a while.


No, the mechanic by which they are scamming CCP into not banning them, which is most definitely breaking the spirit of the rules. And if they ever do make the impact they claim to want to make we'll see, but they will probably eventually realize that they are only depriving themselves of content by harassing newbies. And may grow some balls for shooting wars eventually.
You speak of technicalities when you should be talking about the massive gray area that is left in the interpretation of EULA regarding harassment and griefing. The gray area and ingenuity of griefers to utilize existing game mechanics is why, from my viewpoint, GM's can't be arsed to do anything. I have yet to hear of a case where an actual line has been drawn.

Prime example of this is to go 1 jump from virtually any rookie career agent system and you'll see a flashy yellow "pro pvper" farming newbies who don't know better. There have been topics discussing this emergent form of game play not far back.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#325 - 2014-03-14 15:08:44 UTC
Because the people only feel Important in the game as most can't contribute to the real world and boost their need of an ego by being the bad guys like ccp advertises " join eve online: be the bad guy."

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Salvos Rhoska
#326 - 2014-03-14 15:10:59 UTC
Agondray wrote:
Because the people only feel Important in the game as most can't contribute to the real world and boost their need of an ego by being the bad guys like ccp advertises " join eve online: be the bad guy."


Thats like saying if they where bad guys IRL, they wouldn't need to boost their ego by being a bad guy in EVE.

Makes no sense. Potato.

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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#327 - 2014-03-14 15:29:51 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
I understand eve is free and no rules and blah blah blah. this isnt about ccp or how they manage stuff ... this is about comunity and how full of bad ppl it is! u cant even turn around without running into somone trying to take advantage of u with a lie or something! and its almost always not even for profit or money but just beign EVIL! i mean.... i once join a ""mining/industry"" corp and in 10 mins they try to gank my freighter with alot of battleships, why? and then i almost lose a orca with nothing expensive in hold or fit because of gank? i kno harasment is not alowed (even if alot of other stuff is) so is this even reportable?
anyway thats not the point, its more..... whyy?? why do ppl go to self harm ways to hurt others? is this how pleyers act IRL too? is eve space australia?

editing.... y all the hate ppl? Sad pls stop trolling, im just trying to understand


I am alittle unsure here....are those tears or just a fog of tears with a potential downpour?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#328 - 2014-03-14 15:32:46 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
I am alittle unsure here....are those tears or just a fog of tears with a potential downpour?
Either way, it's going to get damp.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#329 - 2014-03-14 16:21:24 UTC
done shitting up the thread now? just an unproductive circlejerk that didnt answer the OP question and just make eve look like its full of asses. congrats Roll u must be proud, trolls
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#330 - 2014-03-14 16:26:31 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
done shitting up the thread now? just an unproductive circlejerk that didnt answer the OP question and just make eve look like its full of asses. congrats Roll u must be proud, trolls
Actually the OPs question has been answered quite succinctly, repeatedly. Most of the shitting up of the thread has been from people who think that Eve should be something that it blatantly is not.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#331 - 2014-03-14 17:00:06 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
done shitting up the thread now? just an unproductive circlejerk that didnt answer the OP question and just make eve look like its full of asses. congrats Roll u must be proud, trolls



Be careful or I will poke you in your good eye then you wont be able to see ****.

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#332 - 2014-03-14 17:02:48 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

All this because I gave him 10mins warning to clear his cans, whereas I could have simply started taking them.

So who is the bad guy in this situation?
Who is the one with the attitude problem?


This was a good story.

It would have ended better had he been taught a lesson in manners by being blown out of the stars.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#333 - 2014-03-14 17:14:15 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
done shitting up the thread now? just an unproductive circlejerk that didnt answer the OP question and just make eve look like its full of asses. congrats Roll u must be proud, trolls
Actually the OPs question has been answered quite succinctly, repeatedly. Most of the shitting up of the thread has been from people who think that Eve should be something that it blatantly is not.


Not surprisingly, it's the same character flaws that make people like that crap up a thread that makes the game unenjoyable for the very same people. They never seem to quite figure out that the problem is them, not the game (or the people simply telling them the truth on the forums).
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#334 - 2014-03-14 17:30:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Personally I feel the recurring theme of people landing in EvE and then railing against it's mechanics is one of a failure in education.

If CCP had a stark Tutorial #1 (like so), combined with an 'acceptance', there would be much less knock-on sperging later on...

We have all seen this in real life, tell a client up front about 'paper-cuts' and they are seen as paper cuts. Hide them in the short term for them to discover on their own (like crushing TiDi..ahem), and they are perceived as grievous arterial wounds.

F

Would you like to know more?
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#335 - 2014-03-14 17:44:11 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
I understand eve is free and no rules and blah blah blah. this isnt about ccp or how they manage stuff ... this is about comunity and how full of bad ppl it is! u cant even turn around without running into somone trying to take advantage of u with a lie or something! and its almost always not even for profit or money but just beign EVIL! i mean.... i once join a ""mining/industry"" corp and in 10 mins they try to gank my freighter with alot of battleships, why? and then i almost lose a orca with nothing expensive in hold or fit because of gank? i kno harasment is not alowed (even if alot of other stuff is) so is this even reportable?
anyway thats not the point, its more..... whyy?? why do ppl go to self harm ways to hurt others? is this how pleyers act IRL too? is eve space australia?


Because they're bad people. CCP set up an environment where bad people can do bad things. Being unable to do bad things IRL because of consequence, they flock to this game as an outlet to be their true selves.

But that's what makes people like you and I that much better at life and for the game. Because even in a cesspool of filth, we remain clean.

They're illogical and irrational. There's no other explanation. Trying to understand is a waste of your time.


There's no such thing as bad or good people.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#336 - 2014-03-14 17:52:05 UTC
embrel wrote:
There's no such thing as bad or good people.
Good luck with arguing that with him, he's of the opinion that people who make you explode in Eve are just as likely to murder you for loose change in real life, because what you do within the context of a game is a direct reflection of what you're like in real life. Roll

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#337 - 2014-03-14 18:04:31 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
embrel wrote:
There's no such thing as bad or good people.
Good luck with arguing that with him, he's of the opinion that people who make you explode in Eve are just as likely to murder you for loose change in real life, because what you do within the context of a game is a direct reflection of what you're like in real life. Roll

To be fair, he has explained that he assumes everyone will do that, regardless of what games they play and how, until they've somehow proven otherwise. That really tells you all you need to know… Ugh
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#338 - 2014-03-14 18:09:55 UTC
embrel wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


There's no such thing as bad or good people.

bigots are real :D
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#339 - 2014-03-14 18:50:35 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Personally I feel the recurring theme of people landing in EvE and then railing against it's mechanics is one of a failure in education.

If CCP had a stark Tutorial #1 (like so), combined with an 'acceptance', there would be much less knock-on sperging later on...

We have all seen this in real life, tell a client up front about 'paper-cuts' and they are seen as paper cuts. Hide them in the short term for them to discover on their own (like crushing TiDi..ahem), and they are perceived as grievous arterial wounds.

F


You'd think that would work, but the last decade and a half of my own IRL experiences lead me to believe that it's just not true.

In game as in IRL some things are self evident, rules are posted and easily accessible and any amount of common sense would keep people out of trouble or away from situations where they'd be victimized. Yet time and time and time again I and people like me deal with easily avoidable situations involving people who didn't spend a single second of their time thinking about their situation or the consequences of their choices.

In other words, CCP could introduce mechanaics that would warn people EVERY single time they undocked that they are undocking into a situation where loss can occur, they can make the tuttorial as close to the real EVE experience as possible ect ect and people will STILL complain about the nature of the game and it's mechanics and the in-game policies of CCP (a company made of vikings, by vikings, making a game FOR VIKINGS)
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#340 - 2014-03-14 18:52:09 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
embrel wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


There's no such thing as bad or good people.

bigots are real :D



Bigots are the lightweight example of bad people. Truly bad people do exist and i've dealt with some. None of them had "I play EVE" tattoo'd on them anywhere I could see.