EVE General Discussion

Doesn't matter. They're all games. This is the critical distinction you keep missing. They all have rules about what you can and can't do within the context of that game. They all have rules about how you win or lose. They are all, for the lack of a better term, “PvP”.

Someone blowing up your ship in EVE has the real-world-moral equivalence of someone tagging you in cops and robbers. Someone scamming you in EVE has the real-world-moral equivalence of someone bluffing you in poker. I.e. none. Everyone is simply playing the game as intended. You cannot judge anyone's character in real life based on what they do in game because there is no connection between the two: what's allowed and acceptable in one is not allowed in the other.

All three games revolve around shooting and tricking and robbing each other. None of it means that the people playing these games are murderers, liars or thieves in real life. Transposing one into the other necessitates passing through a massively thick layer of unproven assumptions about the connection between (legal, expected, morally neutral) in-game behaviour and (illegal, unexpected, and immoral) out-of-game behaviour that instantly turns any such characterisation into unadulterated prejudice.

Good news, then: no-one has ever put forward that idea. That's just something you've made up in your head.

Upset by it? No. But i will label them as people who are willing to convince themselvesthat ethical standards do not apply to oneself in a particular context, by separating moral reactions from inhumane conduct by disabling the mechanism of self-condemnation.

Can Eve draw parallels with games that have clear victory conditions?

I guess that works in a complete denial of context, though in the case of the subject at hand, I doubt that's a fair consideration. Just my opinion though.

Brilliant, my bad.

^^ not sarcasm

^^ not sarcasm either

Brilliant as long as you convince only your self and don't go preaching, because I disagree with that assertion and will want to preach back :D

Edit:

Ah see, now your assertion regarding Casinos is wrong. Eve simply functions exactly the opposite way; it is all one game and I see now that this is a simple case of you declaring one zone/path of eve to be PvE and one PvP. I'll let the vets take over on that one.

Yea no worries man. You're allowed to feel how you want. Thanks for taking the opportunity to express yourself. I'll keep talking about it though, i hope you understand. EvE is a dark place, and I feel that others deserve to know that there are others who feel passionately about the light. I'll be a lodestar. I'll walk through the shadows in the valley of Mad.

You can say thousands, millions of words. I'm not telling you what I look like. You believe whatever you want. Believe I look like the picture in my avatar, believe I don't.

What you think about me ultimately means nothing.

But you don't get to choose the overall moral affinity of the game. That choice is by the people. Just because you think it's Ok to steal, doesn't mean it is OK. You get to feel what you want, regardless of being wrong.

Am I choosing the overall moral affinity? No. I'm simply stating my opinion.

I feel stealing is wrong, in game and out. If you show me that you are one to steal by stealing, then I'll label you as a stealer (Go black and yellow!!!). Do something about it.

What I think of you means everything to me. Again, you are wrong.

But its not just what I think, it is what is demonstrable and shown to be true.

You are wrong, for the objective, discernible and provable reasons I have delineated.

Its not a matter of opinion, its a matter of fact.

Your stated view contradicts itself fatally when measured against your own choices.
That makes you wrong. Utterly.

And not only that, but it proves the opposite of what you espoused, to actually be the truth.
That by the same mechanism whereby you chose to act and represent yourself differently ingame than what you are outside of it, so does everyone else. Meaning you have no ground to stand on remaining, because you are no different in this regard than anyone else.

Beyond that my observations of you are that you are a dilettante, a hack, a hypocrite, dishonest in discourse and, to put it in colloquial parlance, a very poor quality troll.

Your whole show of "we have choice in EVE, what choices you make show whether you are a "good" person or not", is a farce.

Its juvenile. Its frankly pathetic. Its like you think it is some novel idea or you are the first person to find themselves in a moral dilemma of whether they should steal/attack that tantalisingly vulnerable asset ingame. Yet in all of this, you haven't actually even once shown yourself to be a moral actor ingame, as you are without. Infact we have no idea whether you are moral without or within the game in the first place. Yet in the same breathe you condemn everyone else.

I think everyone would thank you kindly to stop posting. Start a blog or something. If you wish to make a crusade of being a moral absolute in EVE, then create content according to that by your own actions INGAME rather than spamming up the forums with your garbage. Put your money where your mouth is. So far you've only run your mouth, and even that has already been debunked and shown false.

All you've proven is that regardless of knowing if I've accurately represented myself, that you'll claim I am not.

You've only proven to me that you do not care about the facts or reality.

Why should I take your opinion seriously when you're willing to claim I've misrepresented myself when you have no possible way of knowing if I have or not?

You're so egotistical.

@Divine:
I asked you.
You not only refused to answer, but then proceeded to be offensive towards me about it.

In your refusal to answer, you gave me blanc card to deduce my own conclusions from your refusal.
If you will not cooperate, I will come to conclusions without your input. Your choice.

My choice of interpretation and observation of your choice and action, is that you are refusing to answer because it is disadvantageous to your already ridiculous and precarious moral pontification.

I could also proceed to ask whether you have alts, and whether they are all painstakingly identical in appearence to each other and to your actual person, and whether their names are also your own as you have IRL.

But all of that would be academic, because as comes across in the sentence above, if you where truly representative of who you are offline, as you are online, your character itself would carry your own actual name and not just its actual graphical representation.

That alone, again, avails to show that your position is false and contradictory.

Just as I cannot surmise from your avatar, or your name, who you really are, neither can you of others.
And because you have CHOSEN to not represent your true name and appearance, I can deduce that you are prepared to present yourself ingame as you are not, and make choices ingame as you would not out of game. Which quashes your arguments position completely, because that is exactly what everyone else is doing too, and with which there is nothing morally reprehensible.

If you want someone morally reprehensible, then look at the guy who hoped Tippia would die, and who felt she does not deserve to live. You didn't even bat an eyelid at that did you, Mr.MoraleFarce?