Intergalactic Summit

I believe those interested in rapprochement between the State and Federation should consider a few points in their thinking:

- The UDI terrorist responsible for orchestrating the Elarel massacre, Goran Mitalek, was extradited to the Amarr Empire under, "Separate charges" only to have their prison convoy attacked and to disappear under some rather dubious circumstances with no confirmation of their death.

- Admiral Eturrer, the man responsible for undermining the Tripwire system, sought refuge not in the Caldari State but in the Amarr Empire as a, "Guest" of Uriam Kador.

- The origin of capital used by Former Executor Tibus Heth to purchase Caldari Constructions stock has never been disclosed or become known.

- Former Executor Tibus Heth indebted Kaalakiota to the Tash-Murkon Family and the Empress Sarum in accepting the CAESA loans.

- Former Executor Tibus Heth disappeared in very similar circumstances to Goran Mitalek of the UDI in having their convoy attacked by mysterious attackers using laser based weaponry.

Always remember: Spending too much time focused on the centre of the board with the movement of Pawns can make you vulnerable to be cornered on the flanks by Knight and Bishop if a gambit is made in exposing the Queen.

Mostly true, yes. Don't forget, though, location makes a difference. By default, our home world is dead center in Federation space, which makes for one hell of a force multiplier for you, both politically and militarily.

The invasion in 110 was ONLY possible through an astronomically unlikely series of events that I doubt would ever be repeated. I think we made our point, but anyone who thinks the same could be done again is deluding themselves. What this means is that we would stand to lose the one thing all this dying is over. Home. Nobody wants to lose it, and the State can't bring sufficient force to bear to take it wholesale AND hold it in the heart of Fed space, so that leaves negotiation.

I guarantee you, NOBODY wants to be the one who loses Home again. I don't know how much exposure you've had to Caldari, but anybody pulling something for personal gain when the potential cost is so high would end up disappeared. Or thrown to the wolves. Heiian demands that we set aside our personal pride, and do what's needed, when it comes to matters that affect the State, and the Caldari, as a whole.

If that meant sucking it up and playing ball, that's what would happen, because that's what's expected of the very concept. It's so deeply held by anyone even close to being one of us that it's uncanny to people who have never lived it.

Sure, there would be tension. That's a given. But that is something that could be worked around enough that it would lessen. The first CalNav captain who lets his personal prejudice override common sense probably wouldn't need to be court marshalled. They'd likely have already been dealt with by their own XO and fellow officers for even THINKING of putting themselves first. If they made it to the brig, they'd wish they hadn't.

What it really comes down to, is establishing the status quo as the best we can manage, rather than simply saying 'this is the status quo', and denying it could improve. If we want to curb the body count, it has to.

I stand in agreement.

I thought it was worth a reminder :)

Well, Mr. Vorpalstar, if dual sovereignty won't work for you, than transferring whole Luminaire under Caldari sovereignty will solve the problem. We will show you, that Caldari Navy is way more efficient at guarding citizens, than federals.


In fact, you don't have to provocate Federation Navy, for example, they attacked our leviathan without provocation. And they attacked Caldari Prime on the ground without provocation as well.
Oh, and that Admiral Noir attacked Malkalen station without provocation too.
You see, it is the Federal Navy that gives problems, while Caldari Navy remains professional.
For peace to be possible, Federal Navy should be prohibited from presence and operations in systems or near planets with dual sovereignty.

The problem is, that parts of our Homeworld are still occupied by galletean swines.

Actually, she's not wrong. Your fleet, while formidable, wouldn't be able to fight an offensive campaign through our systems on the way to Luminaire and hope to accomplish anything worthwhile.

Your "systems" on the way to Luminaire is just an Algogille.
The only thing that these "series of events" have achieved, is saved Caldari lives of many pilots, who would die otherwise, fighting off gallenteans, while planet were captured. But the operation would succeed anyways.
Of course, I am grateful that these events happened and many Caldari lives were saved, but no one should give them decisive role in our victory.
We have achieved that victory only because of will and strength of Caldari People, led by our greatest hero Tibus Heth, and professionalism of our Navy.

They're right, because it was for Heth.

Do you really think Heth wanted any less? ... and why should they forget so quickly about him? Why should they believe any of us are 'a changed people'?

Why did Heth keep fighting the war after taking back Caldari Prime? Why didn't he sue for peace? Why didn't he simply sit down at the table and say, "We have what we want, we don't need to fight you any more."

It's because Heth, Dragonaurs, Provists, and their ilk - they want the Federation destroyed. Some even want to exterminate the Gallente race. They didn't come from some jaijii demographic either. They came from within. Born and bred Caldari, same as you and me. Sure they're twisted, deranged, and don't have the best interests of the State in mind. They don't speak for the State (anymore), and they don't represent majority opinion... but it doesn't matter, does it? That excuse doesn't work anymore, and its our fault.

For five years they controlled State policy. For five years they taught the Federation a brand new lesson: Home is not all the Caldari seek. The Federation has learned the hard way, through Tibus Heth and the reluctance of Patriots and Practicals to counter a madman's agenda, that there is a significant and powerful enough population of Caldari who seek the end of their way of life as they know it. They watched as a supposed "minority" and "outcast" group took complete control of our beloved State and directed us on the path to war. They watched as people like you, honest men and women of the State, puffed out your chests and rode to war in the CPD's directive long after Caldari Prime was taken - because they convinced you it's the right thing to do.

So, I'm sorry, but don't stand there and act like Caldari Prime is all we're after. The only people honestly saying that are Ishukone, because we're the only ones actually trying to put a stop to the conflict.

Your point is invalid, since that titan never bombed any Gallentean civilians...
But I wish it did, and burned all this scum away from surface of our planet!

And in fact, gallentean citizens were under threat ONLY BECAUSE FEDERATION ATTACKED US...
If they didn't there wasn't any threat at all, you see.
And I repeat, I would prefer gallenteans to be burned to crisps for this treacherous gallentean attack.