Crime & Punishment

this doesn't adhere to my arbitrary concept of what is and is not pvp

soloing a mining barge armed with deadly attack drones and backed up by an invincible omniscient omnipotent magic police force is cowardly, but a fleet attacking an unfitted moa in nullsec is true brave pvp o7

Didn't this thread pretty much end when Gizznitt explained it in post 2?

It's PvP in the sense that it's against another player, but it's much like how beating the crap out of a 5 year old is technically fighting. I don't really understand the appeal of ganking to be honest. I've done it when it's needed, but it's hardly entertaining. If I ran out of stuff to do so much that I resorted to ganking for fun, I think my time in this game would be done. But each to his own and all that.

Clearly though, saying "GF" and "I love to PvP" to people you are ganking is trolling, and based on the way your OP is structured, you know this. Is this just a thread so you can post up your KB and rub your epeen?

What about the cops who also hire themselves out to do security at events, concerts, school dances etc on 'paid duties', to make a little extra cash in fun risk-free ways? Are they still not ultimately cops?

Many of us do both.

p.s.
For your insulting carebear heresy a +1 has been added to my kill-it-forward queue.

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I mine 8 hours a day in high-sec, all AFK, while I'm alt-tabbed doing work. EvE-Mail me, and I'll tell you which bountiful system I do it in. I'd love for you clowns to come try and 'bump' me.

Just to let you all know.

Ganking (pvp) is still a valid form of PVP.

And it gets alot of good fights.

If we didn't have an endless supply of targets do you think we would still be doing this? If everyone tanked there ships to kingdom come would we still be doing this?

Yes and Yes, because it gets us good fights and we love to PVP and keep high sec honest. If we aren't doing it then noone is.

I just love good fights and being a champion of high sec, whats so wrong with that?

Oh you guys! Ganking can go either/or. There are times when ganking is stupid easy; an AFK miner, an AFK mission runner, ect. There are times when ganking can be much more difficult; outrageously expensive mission runner, Freighter that typically hauls expensive cargo, etc. I would like to draw a line here and express that, as I see it, there are two different types of ganking. Ganking for fun and ganking for profit. Ganking for fun typically is a small group of people getting together and ganking whatever they can find. This is significantly easier to perform and organize; think of kitchensink. However, ganking for profit means you, as the ganker, are putting much more at risk. You will need multiple different ships to fit any occasion/target. You will need to have at the very least a couple staging systems with said ships and fittings. You will need dedicated scouts and haulers, you will need to document potential targets and have locators available, you need to have an understanding of your fleet comp (more of SP), among other things. Ultimately, this takes much more planning, time, effort and organization.

Let's assume you're ganking for profit. You need to make sure you have the right multiple ship types and multiple fittings, dps, scouts, and the right number of people before you begin. Let's say one of your targets was added to a watchlist a month ago because they were in a 5b/isk mission ship, and they just decided to log on. You need to run locators and get scouts to the system he/she is in and the surrounding systems as well in case they leave/left. Now, you're moving the entire op, 10, 15 people to kill this very expensive mission boat. If you're using catalysts it's easy, if you're not it's extremely difficult. If the target is in a Tengu, Catalysts are a joke and it goes without saying that if the target is in a mission boat, Catalysts are a joke if the target is active. You would want to bring Nados. So you're switching everyone into Nado's as fast as possible and accommodating skills/fittings per person. While you're getting ready to move and while you're moving you will need to get some questions answered and run EFT/maths. Where is the target? What security system? What are the neighboring systems? Can you get a scan? Can you get a warp in? Probes? What's the resists? What's the EHP? What's the DPS/Alpha? How much time do you have? Is it enough time? And you're multitasking, hell you're probably doing 4 other things. Needless to say the target could switch systems, or log, thus changing everything. Time is not on your side and if you make one mistake, odds are the gank is ruined and your target will most likely switch their fitting and/or log off.

This is just an example, but I've been in fleets like this. I've FC'd fleets like this. Sometimes ganking is extremely easy, sometimes it's not, but to assume that ganking is easy across the board just because you don't like it means you really don't know enough about it yet and/or don't appreciate it, that or immature. I'm going to go with the former though in respect to Flynt as Flynt is one of the few capable anti-gankers.

What about them? That still does not change the fact that regular security personnel are not actual law enforcement officers, and do not have actual arrest power beyond that of the everyday citizen. His point stands.



The problem with you guys isn't that you gank miners, or incursioners, or bling mission battleships, or freighters, or whatever prey floats your boat. It's that you think you're upholding some standards of gameplay. This is a sandbox. As soon as you complained that they were "playing the game wrong", you rendered your opinion irrelevant. The same goes for all this CODE nonsense; if people get a kick out of enforcing their "code" and splurging about it on the forms (even those that can't find the "undock" button), fine and dandy. The stupidity comes when they start talking about AFKing and botting. Botting is bannable; report it. If you don't and gank instead, you are just ganking; the other person botting is irrelevant. Same with AFKing; if people play AFK, that's their business. You have neither the power, ability, or right to enforce any (nonexistant) rule about AFKing; the only thing you have the right to do is gank tht target. Their presence or absence at the keyboard is irrelevant. IF people wanted to actually FIX AFKing they would advocate for a more interesting mining experience, but then, what would the CODEies do for forum attention?

If you want to add me to your silly list, go right ahead. Our headquarters is in Sendaya. If you find me, you just go for it; my ratting ships are all PVP fit. Bring some friends if you like; we love good fights and we'll be happy to scramble Pocket Rockets.

Trying to police afk play or botting isnt roleplaying. Pretending to be organized crime lords, terrorists or fanatics that attack people in highsec is roleplaying.

Pretending to be BRAVE while whining and being a downright Grinch, how would you call that than?
Did you ever read http://minerbumping.com ? If that isn't some grade A roleplaying, nothing is.
It's even roleplaying on a grand scale with the good of our game in mind...

You might think it's silly, stupid or even pointless (I assure you it is not) but the moment we loose people who are invested that heavily in EVE is the moment CCP can shutdown the servers. No amount of AFK/botting players makes for a good game.
Quite the opposite.

D.



e: Oh and we've come visit you plenty... They all docked up except the AFK ones who got thought a lesson about playing games and not doing this

So the ones that disagree with the honorable thing we are doing in high sec, do you think that high sec should be perfectly safe because that is what it sounds like to me.

You need to get it through your heads that nowhere in eve is safe or should be safe. High sec is no exception to any rule.

Some days I can make a billion isk from ganking the right targets by myself, other days I can gank and make enough to fund my next catalyst. It's exciting not knowing what each new day will bring in high sec, and it's a style of play that I enjoy, give me a catalyst and ill give you a killmail within 5 minutes.

High sec bears have all the items/information in front of then to protect themselves but due to the nature of there laziness/ignorance they want the game to be changed to how they want to play when then should be changing the way they play the game.

Even permit holders are not exempt from getting ganked and I have ganked permit holders in the past for being afk when I'm in local. If you want to afk - dock up and go afk. Don't sit in space expecting concord to save your ass if you want to go afk for 5 minutes.

I have just passed my 1200th exhumer ganked and you know what, I can say that all off them besides 2 have occurred in high sec. I think that speaks for itself.

GG Easy