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People stealing loot after a fight and then dropping fleet and comms

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#41 - 2014-03-12 19:00:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
sounds like you had a legitimate complaint, took it to the CEO, received adequate compensation, then declared war anyway. That makes you the dicks.

By all means exclude him from your fleets, but wardeccing the corp is a big middle finger the whole corp, one that was not merited considering you received compensation from the CEO. Saying you're just gonna shoot this one guy doesn't make it any better. Setting the guy KOS is also a **** move, specifically to that entire corp, as now that corp has to either A) hang out their corpie to dry (making them a pretty ****** corp), or B) fight back. You've placed their entire corp in a crappy situation because you specifically wanted to meddle in how they chose to discipline one of their own. And you're picking a pretty trivial reason to start a big inter-militia dust up, one that could affect players that aren't connected with either corp.

So, screw this guy for pulling a **** move, because ninja looting faction stuff while not on comms then going afk is definitely a **** move, but he's not the real story here.

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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-03-12 19:23:22 UTC
Do not fall for the crosi troll he does it in every thread.

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Ammon Dei
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#43 - 2014-03-12 20:33:28 UTC
1. Previous history with our 2 corps
2. Obvious attitude of the pilot involved given the situation
3. Faction warfare mechanics that involve loss of standings for shooting a member of Gallente Militia.
4. Attempted to resolve the issue quietly prior to the wardec, The eve mail sent was ignored, a member of the fleet attempted to discuss with TIPIKS on coms at the time. Still not resolved. Only when the wardec went active did we receive a response and a resolution.

ISK was sent.


So the wardec is in place due to FW mechanics. Thorr VonAsgard is KOS, and not welcome in fleet ops with us. Thus we move forward.

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#44 - 2014-03-12 20:45:23 UTC
Ammon Dei wrote:

4. Attempted to resolve the issue quietly prior to the wardec, The eve mail sent was ignored, a member of the fleet attempted to discuss with TIPIKS on coms at the time. Still not resolved. Only when the wardec went active did we receive a response and a resolution.

ISK was sent.



I was about to apologize for misreading the OP. But what you say contradicts the OP.
Quote:

After some going back and forth TIPIAKS gave our FC the loot value in isk as to what was stolen, but to me that kinda isn't the point.

Stealing from people you fly with to line your own pockets isn't the kind of person I want to be in fleet with, or be in my fleet and as such we set said pilot -10 and war decced the corp (to avoid bloody standings losses).

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#45 - 2014-03-12 21:05:26 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
Ok, most people who know me think of me as a fairly easy going sort of chap.

But, a little tiny bit of drama last night always adds to the fun of this game.

After a small ish Gallente fleet had a little mooch last we engage a small Kronos gang and kill one of them.

Now, you would expect some reasonable loot to drop from this (it was ok ish).

What you don't expect is for someone to steal all the decent loot, drop fleet, drop comms and then bugger off back to there home system thinking they have pulled a fast one with a few hundred mil or so in loot (loot history is your friend).

A gentleman by the name of Thorr VonAsgard from TIPIAKS seems to think that this is acceptable behaviour to join a fleet, enjoy an FC providing content to his gameplay and then procede to attempt to steal loot.

Now, Dopified very kindly jumped onto TIPIAKS comms and politely asked for it to be handed back and was met with some abuse and lies thrown his direction.

After some going back and forth TIPIAKS gave our FC the loot value in isk as to what was stolen, but to me that kinda isn't the point.

Stealing from people you fly with to line your own pockets isn't the kind of person I want to be in fleet with, or be in my fleet and as such we set said pilot -10 and war decced the corp (to avoid bloody standings losses).

I sent a very nice email to the TIPIAKS ceo explaining why and that its not any of his other members we will shoot, just the 1 guy who is set KOS.

Now in addition to this I did a little checking and noticed since December approx. 20+ Gallente loss mails which this pilot (never mind others in his corp) has been responsible for - I'm sure there are legitimate reasons for every single one of them..............

Like I said, no real big drama or anything but doing what this guy did / does in my book isn't acceptable for someone who is "on my side".

And in b4 the "OMG SoTF are horrible people"

TL/DR version - don't steal loot after a fight, it just craps on the people you are flying with.




So are you saying Thor VonAsgard is a Jigabevis alt?????




But in seriousness:
The dude you had problems with also burns 200km from a fight and watches his 'mates' die.
He did it again last night to one of his fellow militia members.

You really should war dec TIKPIAKS until they kick him.

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Mnemosyne Gloob
#46 - 2014-03-12 21:12:27 UTC
Oh look Tipiaks, who run from even engagements until they are sure to have double numbers and/or double tech.

Apart from that, yoinking in fleet and not giving the (shiney) loot to FC/Distributor is just bad form and won't encourage good relations.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#47 - 2014-03-12 21:24:23 UTC
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
1. welcome (back) to eve.....

2. QQ

3. Can i haz your stuff?



Making more friends I see Mabego.

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Seiko Hikitari
Everlasting Vendetta.
#48 - 2014-03-12 21:45:03 UTC
Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:
Oh look Tipiaks, who run from even engagements until they are sure to have double numbers and/or double tech.

I find those accusations funny, especially coming from you.

Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:
Apart from that, yoinking in fleet and not giving the (shiney) loot to FC/Distributor is just bad form and won't encourage good relations.

I agree with this statement, but was the thread really about whether ninja looting in fleets is considered good or bad manner ?
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#49 - 2014-03-12 22:07:02 UTC
Seiko Hikitari wrote:
Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:
Oh look Tipiaks, who run from even engagements until they are sure to have double numbers and/or double tech.

I find those accusations funny, especially coming from you.

Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:
Apart from that, yoinking in fleet and not giving the (shiney) loot to FC/Distributor is just bad form and won't encourage good relations.

I agree with this statement, but was the thread really about whether ninja looting in fleets is considered good or bad manner ?


No, this thread is about thieving people who think its acceptable to try and screw over people they fly with by stealing loot.

You think this is acceptable?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#50 - 2014-03-12 22:08:14 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
Seiko Hikitari wrote:
Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:
Oh look Tipiaks, who run from even engagements until they are sure to have double numbers and/or double tech.

I find those accusations funny, especially coming from you.

Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:
Apart from that, yoinking in fleet and not giving the (shiney) loot to FC/Distributor is just bad form and won't encourage good relations.

I agree with this statement, but was the thread really about whether ninja looting in fleets is considered good or bad manner ?


No, this thread is about thieving people who think its acceptable to try and screw over people they fly with by stealing loot.

You think this is acceptable?



Theives, in MY EVE? WHOEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THINK?
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#51 - 2014-03-12 22:44:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Theives, in MY EVE? WHOEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THINK?
Nope, can't be true. Not in EvE, or on the forum for that matter.
Oh he, look over there! Did you see that?
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#52 - 2014-03-12 22:55:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Theives, in MY EVE? WHOEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THINK?
Nope, can't be true. Not in EvE, or on the forum for that matter.
Oh he, look over there! Did you see that?
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Im not sure i posted any recipies. If i had done so this forum would go dead as people wallowed in lasagne comas.

EDIT: any chance u can put that fellas recipie back, it did look quite tasty!
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#53 - 2014-03-12 23:08:04 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Theives, in MY EVE? WHOEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THINK?
Nope, can't be true. Not in EvE, or on the forum for that matter.
Oh he, look over there! Did you see that?
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Im not sure i posted any recipies. If i had done so this forum would go dead as people wallowed in lasagne comas.


Don't try and hide your alt mate..........
Castnicke Rinah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2014-03-13 02:06:33 UTC
Ammon Dei wrote:
1. Previous history with our 2 corps
2. Obvious attitude of the pilot involved given the situation
3. Faction warfare mechanics that involve loss of standings for shooting a member of Gallente Militia.
4. Attempted to resolve the issue quietly prior to the wardec, The eve mail sent was ignored, a member of the fleet attempted to discuss with TIPIKS on coms at the time. Still not resolved. Only when the wardec went active did we receive a response and a resolution.

ISK was sent.


So the wardec is in place due to FW mechanics. Thorr VonAsgard is KOS, and not welcome in fleet ops with us. Thus we move forward.



I thought the ISK was sent within a couple of minutes? Perunga jumped into my channel on TS and told me that someone from TIPIKS had taken some loot, but they were going to pay the value back in ISK and he wanted me to check the value of the stuff. About 2 minutes later he had the ISK.

Am I to understand that it took a lot longer than that to get it all sorted?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#55 - 2014-03-13 02:14:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Castnicke Rinah wrote:
Ammon Dei wrote:
1. Previous history with our 2 corps
2. Obvious attitude of the pilot involved given the situation
3. Faction warfare mechanics that involve loss of standings for shooting a member of Gallente Militia.
4. Attempted to resolve the issue quietly prior to the wardec, The eve mail sent was ignored, a member of the fleet attempted to discuss with TIPIKS on coms at the time. Still not resolved. Only when the wardec went active did we receive a response and a resolution.

ISK was sent.


So the wardec is in place due to FW mechanics. Thorr VonAsgard is KOS, and not welcome in fleet ops with us. Thus we move forward.



I thought the ISK was sent within a couple of minutes? Perunga jumped into my channel on TS and told me that someone from TIPIKS had taken some loot, but they were going to pay the value back in ISK and he wanted me to check the value of the stuff. About 2 minutes later he had the ISK.

Am I to understand that it took a lot longer than that to get it all sorted?


For the purposes of this drama it is requested that you ignore the facts and react on a purely emotional level. Thats how Gallactica explained it to me anyway.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#56 - 2014-03-13 03:22:35 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Gallactica wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
We had issues with them in the past but it seemed to have stabilized. Not really surprising, but my recent run ins with them have all been positive.

I too would boot any loot thieving douches from my corp, but most folks don't look at it that way. Hope you guys can work it all out, but if not... enjoy blowing each other up. :)

Don't mind XG, he is new to trolling. Also lets hope the majority of that guys gal kills are from when he was in snuff.


Nope, in TIPIAKS 27.11.13 - 11.2.14.



Just to play devils advocate, some look like they couldve been duels. Others are from his own corp. Others could be newbs shooting him because he is flashy. I had a hawk do that to me like 2 days ago, couldnt kill him tho because of terrible maulus dps, and no one was willing to take standings hits backing me up lol.


I must not have been online. I'd have shot him.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Ammon Dei
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#57 - 2014-03-13 04:20:36 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


For the purposes of this drama it is requested that you ignore the facts and react on a purely emotional level. Thats how Gallactica explained it to me anyway.



Have you obtained permission from your new alliance overlords to make further comments upon this subject?

The good news is that at least this time we had a good reason to Wardec someone. I can remember Wardec's for less reasons.

"Torpedo", Torpedo, Torpedo"
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#58 - 2014-03-13 06:51:36 UTC
Ammon Dei wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


For the purposes of this drama it is requested that you ignore the facts and react on a purely emotional level. Thats how Gallactica explained it to me anyway.



Have you obtained permission from your new alliance overlords to make further comments upon this subject?

The good news is that at least this time we had a good reason to Wardec someone. I can remember Wardec's for less reasons.

"Torpedo", Torpedo, Torpedo"




hehehe "torpedo gate" a classic wardec ;)

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#59 - 2014-03-13 08:50:00 UTC
Correct Crosi - if I think something isn't right I will act upon it, played Eve like that since day 1.
Mister Tuggles
Dickhead Corner
#60 - 2014-03-13 09:47:43 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
Ok, most people who know me think of me as a fairly easy going sort of chap.






After this post I only know you as a cry baby.