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Mining on a larger scale
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abradoff Madullier
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-03-12 14:48:22 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
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Beer Breath
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2014-03-12 21:05:18 UTC
Shield Spider Tanking... that's the ticket to save your Hulks from gankes, along with the Siege bonuses. Twisted
Cassandra Banes
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#23 - 2014-03-26 03:02:05 UTC
I don't know how popular/unpopular my suggestion will be but it's an alternative that (on an economic level at least) you should consider.

Orca with 2 Skiffs (shield tanked with additional shield buffs provided by the orca) and only use scout drones (anti belt rats).

I know that the skiff has less yield, and I know that you're probably after higher yields.


But consider this:

There are people in EvE that love to blow miners away, they have a jizzfit at the concept of taking out someone that's just going about their business.

Skiffs are a durable workhorse that (if fitted correctly) can sport 100k+ hitpoints, this makes them a tough nut to crack and a much less desirable target for gankers (they'll much more likely either warp out looking for another stationary target to epeen all over or start taking to the guy that's a softer target as to more likely get a killmail).

Sure you take a hit in yield but (and this is experience talking here) The hit in yield is less than having to replace a blown up ship every so often.
Trunhe
NovaTech Holdings
#24 - 2014-03-26 03:27:10 UTC
How we run High Sec Mining Ops

Just an idea. If you have 4 accounts, you can do it if you have the skills to fly the orca and a freighter.

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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#25 - 2014-03-26 16:44:36 UTC
abradoff Madullier wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Tanking the Orca means not using your low slots for cargo expanders. Most Orca's that are ganked only have about 80K EHP. Create a travel fit for the Orca so you can do the fast warp trick when not mining.

Train one of your miners for a miasmos & kryos. Then think about training him to a freighter long term.

A Skiff has a minimal yield increase over a procurer, but the faster travel speed is very nice.

You can keep a mack in the ship hanger on the Orca and have your miner switch ships depending on if you think there is danger around and you need the procurer.

Many people think mining drones are not worth the training time/effort/minimal yield when running a mining fleet.

You only need 1 Hobgoblin to take out the belt rats.


1. why a mack? wouldnt hulk be better?

2. fast warp trick?

thanks alot for the reply.


Mackinaw is better because it has a really big ore hold. More importantly if you fit it right it cannot be destroyed by a single Catalyst suicide ganker. Having said that there are far to many Mackinaws flying with little or no tank fitted.

Regarding your Orca fit don't use cargo expander modules and fit as much tank as you can. Transport Orcas are far more likely to be ganked than mining Orcas though at least in high sec.

There are going to be many changes in mining and the market for minerals leading up to and after the summer expansion so it may not be the time to start mining. Up to you really.

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#26 - 2014-03-26 20:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Based on the latest dev blog, If you are starting up a mining fleet, and have a POS, do not refine anything. seriously...

I am not saying do not mine, just keep it in ore form. You will much make more isk very soon.

High Sec mineral prices are going to dive. A very large portion of high sec minerals are used to mass produce 425mm railgun, this is for mineral compression to get the vast amount of low end minerals need for building caps and supers into deep null.

After the summer expansion mineral compression will no longer be worthwhile as at best you will only get back 45% of the minerals, not 98% or more as you can currently get. The demand for high sec minerals will dive huge.

What you need to do is put up an ore compressor at your POS and keep everything you mine in ore form, compress it, and sell the compressed ore. After the summer update compressed ore will be the only feasible way of moving large volumes of low end minerals into null sec.

Reprocessing is getting nerfed, compression is getting buffed, and mineral compression through module building will be dead. I fully expect raw ore in high sec to sell for more than its mineral content, as the only use for high sec minerals, will be high sec manufacturing. Not to mention the best refining yield in game will be at upgraded null sec outposts.

The Null sec cap and super builders will be mass purchasing raw ore, and compressed ore, to meet their mineral needs. Just look at the prices of ore on the market, they are already starting to stock up drive raw ore prices up.

The next side effect is going to be these null sec corps needing a high sec POS near Jita to do their own compressing, If you have a small or medium research POS within 4 jumps of Jita, be ready to kiss it good bye.

The null sec'ers will be ready for this before long before the summer expansion hits, anyone who wants to make some isk off this needs to jump on it yesterday.
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