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Character Name Change when "buying" a toon

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Renegade Dussault
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-03-12 13:30:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Renegade Dussault
PLEASE READ THE POINTS AT THE END!

if you buy a toon from the character bazaar, you should have a free name change, or maybe throw a plex in for the name change..

im not saying give us a name change in game, like the skill remapping feature.. just when you buy a toon from someone else.

it would be a nice feature to add.. which would make you feel that it's a bit more of your toon, cause you might like a toon's SPs placement, but most of the names are tasteless, or just plain stupid.

i am aware of the problems it could cause for looking up the character before name change.. but other games did it without much problems, so i guess CCP could make it possible with the great team of people they have..

if you like the idea, thumbs up! (and comment if you feel like it)
if you don't like the idea, please criticize with a comment which is constructive.

EDIT:

heres some ideas that we got out during our convo

1. only available from buying a character from the bazaar
2. adding a star after the name to show the toon has been name changed ex: Renegade Zed*
3. adding a simple tab to show alias history
4. limiting the number of name change (with a timer, 6 months, 1 year, 2 years etc..)
5. make it expansive. 2 or 3 plex, added to the cost of character transfer.


to note: game mechanics such as contact list would be updated to show the "new" name of the toon. your contact list wouldn't be wiped and you would still be able to track the "reds" in local.
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#2 - 2014-03-12 14:02:08 UTC
I like the idea, in that the name change can only be performed upon transferring the character from one account to another, and can only be peformed if the character is bounty free (no using it to escape bounty) and if you search for the character under the new name, the report reads something like
'the scumbag now goes by the name of ...., and I've located them in xxx solar system'
this DOES tell them that the character's moved from one account to another, which is both a good and a bad thing.....

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Lothros Andastar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-03-12 14:07:27 UTC
No. If you want to pick your name, train them up from scratch like the rest of us.
Seliah
Red Cloud Vigil
#4 - 2014-03-12 14:13:27 UTC
Lothros Andastar wrote:
No. If you want to pick your name, train them up from scratch like the rest of us.


This.
Ronny Hugo
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2014-03-12 14:40:05 UTC
If someone wants to pay for a name-change then I'm happy, it makes CCP richer and can improve the game quicker. Just add a name change and account change event to the employment history.
Julius Rigel
#6 - 2014-03-12 14:45:15 UTC
Renegade Dussault wrote:
im not saying give us a name change in game, like the skill remapping feature.. just when you buy a toon from someone else.
That means you can get a name change for your own 'toon for the reasonable price of transferring that 'toon to another one of your own accounts plus the name-change fee. So essentially 3 PLEX for a name change, or 5 if you want to put him back on his original account.

I think many scammers and Awoxers would be more than happy to pay a half-dozen PLEX to clean their slate and keep their skills. A clean slate is incredibly valuable in EVE.

Just imagine name-changing a five year old character - all the benefits of an old character, and you can even provide a full API key to the CEO of your next juicy corp-theft target, and he will be none the wiser.

Aside from those strategical benefits, there's also the issue of the premise of the game. CCP intends EVE to be a game in which your actions and choices, both good and bad, malicious or mistake, are supposed to have meaning and consequence within the game world, and they run the game according to those ideas. Your character's name is one of the most fundamental choices you make in EVE. Aside from choosing the size of your ears, your name is the first thing you pick when you make a character, and the last thing you leave behind when you quit.

It seems to me that the name of a character is as much a part of the product as the skillpoints, and you should plan accordingly when buying and (especially) when selling.

Oh, also, this isn't the facebook, we're not here to "like and favorite" your forum post. It's not good form to beg for internet points. Not even on the internet.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#7 - 2014-03-12 17:04:54 UTC
the previous actions of that toon and what that toon has acquired are part of that toon, and he is searchable only by his name. def no to name changes

u can either buy the name of a toon u like, or create ur own and name them as u like.

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Vance Armistice
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-03-12 17:27:19 UTC
I could get behind the idea if it cost plex and an "alias" tab was added to the character sheet. Agent search would yield Alias results as well as the new name.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#9 - 2014-03-12 17:32:20 UTC
Names have consequences.

Buying characters has consequences.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#10 - 2014-03-12 17:33:22 UTC
absolutely not. This is pretty much equivalent to being able to pay CCP to make your character untraceable, which would be pretty horrible. Being able to trace toons across multiple owners is of critical importance to many people.

If you don't like the fact that you can't choose a character name, pay more for a toon with a better name. When you buy a toon you get the whole package. If you want the toon to feel more "yours" then you can train one yourself.

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Dysgenesis
Dhoomcats
#11 - 2014-03-12 20:57:27 UTC
The single shard nature of EVE means actions generate reputations, good and bad, and consequences follow. Introducing name changes would dilute or destroy this very important and somewhat unique (in my experience) aspect, and for what benefit? So you don't have to have an alt called Humpy McHump (which would be an awesome name anyway).

If you don't like a characters name, don't buy it. There are plenty more on the bazaar of wonders to chose from.

(As an aside, I don't like the ability to sell characters either).
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#12 - 2014-03-12 21:31:03 UTC

I'm alright with a name change, even without an account swap, for a heavy price (2 Plex or so).

However, it needs the following caveats:

1.) It retains its old name too. Not only does the name change appear on the employment history tab (or more appropriately, on an alias tab), but every link to that toon is automatically updated with the toon's new identity. All player notes, all player contacts, etc, remain tied to that toon.

2.) If you link the old character and show info on it, it brings up info on your character, no matter what you are calling it.

3.) You cannot take the name of a previously used character.

The truth is, I do not care what you are called. I just care that your character's history follows your character... forever!
Mag's
Azn Empire
#13 - 2014-03-12 21:49:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
In Eve we have characters, not toons ffs.

Also I hope you realise your limitation to bought characters, isn't a limitation. It would still be be open to all. If you are buying a character, then the name is a part of that deal and compromise.

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Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#14 - 2014-03-12 21:55:25 UTC
Oh look this thread again.

Still no. your name is the first impression, the first thing everyone sees in in chat, in system, in space. I know people by reputation, by action, and whatnot, and all of that is tied to me recognizing them by their name.

-1 to anything that can permit someone to change their name.
Renegade Dussault
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-03-13 00:06:33 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

I'm alright with a name change, even without an account swap, for a heavy price (2 Plex or so).

However, it needs the following caveats:

1.) It retains its old name too. Not only does the name change appear on the employment history tab (or more appropriately, on an alias tab), but every link to that toon is automatically updated with the toon's new identity. All player notes, all player contacts, etc, remain tied to that toon.

2.) If you link the old character and show info on it, it brings up info on your character, no matter what you are calling it.

3.) You cannot take the name of a previously used character.

The truth is, I do not care what you are called. I just care that your character's history follows your character... forever!



that's kind of what i had in mind
Renegade Dussault
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-03-13 00:10:07 UTC
Julius Rigel wrote:
Renegade Dussault wrote:
im not saying give us a name change in game, like the skill remapping feature.. just when you buy a toon from someone else.
That means you can get a name change for your own 'toon for the reasonable price of transferring that 'toon to another one of your own accounts plus the name-change fee. So essentially 3 PLEX for a name change, or 5 if you want to put him back on his original account.

I think many scammers and Awoxers would be more than happy to pay a half-dozen PLEX to clean their slate and keep their skills. A clean slate is incredibly valuable in EVE.

Just imagine name-changing a five year old character - all the benefits of an old character, and you can even provide a full API key to the CEO of your next juicy corp-theft target, and he will be none the wiser.

Aside from those strategical benefits, there's also the issue of the premise of the game. CCP intends EVE to be a game in which your actions and choices, both good and bad, malicious or mistake, are supposed to have meaning and consequence within the game world, and they run the game according to those ideas. Your character's name is one of the most fundamental choices you make in EVE. Aside from choosing the size of your ears, your name is the first thing you pick when you make a character, and the last thing you leave behind when you quit.

It seems to me that the name of a character is as much a part of the product as the skillpoints, and you should plan accordingly when buying and (especially) when selling.

Oh, also, this isn't the facebook, we're not here to "like and favorite" your forum post. It's not good form to beg for internet points. Not even on the internet.



check, this.. 1.) It retains its old name too. Not only does the name change appear on the employment history tab (or more appropriately, on an alias tab), but every link to that toon is automatically updated with the toon's new identity. All player notes, all player contacts, etc, remain tied to that toon.

i'm not saying i have all the answers.. all i'm saying is that it could be done in a way that name change wouldn't provide a clean character..
Renegade Dussault
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-03-13 00:12:44 UTC
Mag's wrote:
In Eve we have characters, not toons ffs.


toons, characters.. call them like you want.. still you bring nothing relevant to the conversation cause i can't comprehend anything you wrote after that..
Renegade Dussault
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-03-13 00:14:22 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
Oh look this thread again.

Still no. your name is the first impression, the first thing everyone sees in in chat, in system, in space. I know people by reputation, by action, and whatnot, and all of that is tied to me recognizing them by their name.

-1 to anything that can permit someone to change their name.


read the other posts instead of acting like you have any power on the thread... it's your opinion. nothing more.. and bring something relevant like mostly everyone did..
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-03-13 01:04:11 UTC
No. This would be abused.. character laundering would become a popular thing. Part of the draw back for committing offenses in game should be that the rep could possibly make it harder to unload the character in the bazaar.

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Renegade Dussault
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-03-13 01:07:44 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
No. This would be abused.. character laundering would become a popular thing. Part of the draw back for committing offenses in game should be that the rep could possibly make it harder to unload the character in the bazaar.



this could be easily fixed or arranged by any of the suggestions posted above.. did you care to read at least??
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